Red (00:00:00):
Aren't there a lot of like royal titles for like the emperor's boyfriend, uh, where, where the emperor is like, I'm going to give this guy a promotion so we can hang out in my quarters more. And, you know, I, I know there's been history of that where like, like the Queens, like, uh, uh, um, I just realized there's no male equivalent for mistress that, that appropriately gets the implications across.

Blue (00:00:21):
boy toy.

Red (00:00:22):
Yeah! Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Boy toy. I was like master is fully wrong. Ah, yes. Okay.

Blue (00:00:36):
Hello everybody. And welcome to another episode of the overly sarcastic podcast. I am Blue and I'm joined by Red.

Red (00:00:42):
what's up.

Blue (00:00:43):
and Indigo, uh, who may or may not say hi, sometimes she, she likes to, to jump in. Sometimes she likes to just kind of hang out in the shadows. Oh, uh, Cleo has just jumped onto my desk. You can't see it, but here she is. This is, this is a way more involved intro then than we usually have.

Red (00:01:03):
Oh happy day, She picked her moment. We were like hanging out for 15 minutes before we started recording and Cleo didn't show up at all. But now that the limelight's available

Blue (00:01:09):
Yeah. She knows when the recording is happening. Oh, magnificent. Anyway,

Red (00:01:14):
Maybe it's cause like you do a slightly different voice when you know, you're presenting and she's like, ah, he's got an audience.

Blue (00:01:19):
Cleo's got a sense. I swear this, this cat can read the clocks. She knows when it's six o'clock and when it's it's legally, uh, allowed for her to kamikaze jump onto me from the nearby shelf, uh, in order to get a breakfast. Um, this cat is, uh, far too smart, um, to, uh, um, I don't know, but she, she's a smart cat. Uh, anyway, um, wow. This, this really got off the rails fast. I, oh man. I am lost anyway.

Red (00:01:54):
Alright where were we. Oh, welcome back to another episode of the Overly Sarcastic Podcast. I'm Red, I'm joined by Blue, Indigo. We were debating whether Indigo was going to make her presence known today. And I feel like odds are low, but who knows? Variety is the spice of life.

Blue (00:02:09):
We were talking about Indigo and Cleo's like me, it's me.

Red (00:02:12):
Cleo's like "I'm here to confiscate the brain cell. HR has arrived!" Yeah. So, uh, oh God. How do you normally handle these intros? Uh, we had videos that came out, I believe.

Blue (00:02:22):
Yeah. I did want to take a second to, uh, to congratulate a friend of the channel, uh, Max Miller, uh, and.

Red (00:02:30):
Tasting History, yeah

Blue (00:02:31):
uh, and his husband Jose, uh, they just got married this past week. Fantastic incredible. Uh, he had some, some videos on, on wedding cakes and wedding drinks, uh, for tasting history and drinking history last week. They were very fun. Uh, very exciting. So congratulations to them, both wonderful people. I think it's very exciting to, uh, to follow along on the little Instagram, uh, stories that he was like out or get ready or get, and then the limo, oh, here we are on the beach. It's like as so much fun. So it's great.

Red (00:02:59):
I was going to say, it's telling that I don't put together context clues because I did see his photo of their cake on Instagram. And it was like, oh, what a big cake for only 20 people. And I was like, I mean, he could have baked that for all kinds of reasons. I don't want to assume. Oh no. Yes, all our congratulations. Um, yeah, it's been a, it's been a fun couple of weeks, just in general. All things considered, uh, we both had surprisingly kind of spicy videos.

Blue (00:03:27):
Yeah, yeah. We really did. Uh, it was, uh, it was a bit of a bit of a time. Which one do we want to go for first?

Red (00:03:35):
Uh we should probably go chronological. Uh, and, uh, my memories of the, uh, my video are a little fresher, so we can afford to wait on that one.

Blue (00:03:43):
Okay fair enough. Uh, my video from, from two weeks ago was, uh, was about Sicily. Um, it was, uh, a, a wonderful video to do because I mean, all of my, my, my Italy videos have been, you know, Rome and up, uh, Florence, Venice, uh, fuck Milan apparently. I got some comments like Milan, no?. I'm like, I'm getting there, I'm getting there. Uh, but yeah, this is the first time I took a look at the history of Southern Italy in depth. I've referenced it obliquely a couple of times, but, um, this was just, you know, giving it it's its own video. And man, uh, that could have easily been three videos. And in fact, uh, it will be two because, uh, I had several notes, uh, on Magna Graecia and, you know, classical, uh, Southern Italy and Sicily that, uh, I fully cut, uh, because I had to put them in another video.

Blue (00:04:34):
It was like, I can't, if I do this, I'm going to be here for 15 more minutes. Uh, and by the time I get to Roger of Sicily actually becoming king, uh, this'll be a 45 minute video. So, uh, Manga Graecia is getting split off into its own thing. So, uh, yeah, no, it was, it was hard to consolidate all of it into one narrative because there's just so much stuff. Um, and it's one of those weird stories where even though it was about Sicily, it was also about Naples and it was hard to kind of like do the dance of talking about them, both not like unfairly looping Naples into Sicily's business when they weren't really doing the same thing, but also not just totally ignoring them. So it was a tough balance, but I feel like I did, um, as as good of a job as a, as I reasonably could have. Um, I had a lot of fun, cause it is, it is way cool. Uh, in, in that corner of the Mediterranean, um,

Red (00:05:26):
I think you knit it together pretty well. I will admit as somebody who already does not have a very in-depth understanding of world history in general, when it came to Southern Italy, even the part where apparently that's where the mafia was from was a surprise to me when you were first doing it, you were like, yeah. I mean, everyone knows about the mafia part. And I was like, yes, note mafia, south Italy, as I was like reading through the script and you're like drawing this stuff together. It's like, and this leads to the creation of the mafia. And I was like, oh yeah, I am up to speed.

Blue (00:05:56):
South Italy also known as east east, east, east, Brooklyn

Red (00:06:02):
And east, east, east, east Philly,

Indigo (00:06:06):
Uh, South Philly, correction.

Red (00:06:08):
Oh, my mistake.

Blue (00:06:08):
East, east, east, east, east, south Philly.

Red (00:06:11):
Yes.

Blue (00:06:13):
Yeah, exactly.

Red (00:06:14):
Oh no, I mean, you can't fault me. I fell asleep for the middle three quarters of the godfather. So, you know, oh, no, Indigo I'm so sorry.

Blue (00:06:22):
Red that was bold of you to say that in earshot of Indigo.

Indigo (00:06:25):
What!

Red (00:06:28):
I'm sorry. I think I was watching it with a group of people who were way more into it than I was. And it was just like, God, everyone's talking so quietly and nothing's happening. And then when I woke up,

Indigo (00:06:40):
You come onto this my podcast, weeks before Blue's wedding and you're telling me, you didn't watch the Godfather

Blue (00:06:46):
On this, month of tasting history, and also Blue's weddings

Red (00:06:49):
Let's piss off the other 50% of our audience by saying I did the exact same thing when I watched Rocky Horror Picture show.

Indigo (00:06:57):
*Sharp Inhale*

Red (00:06:57):
That's right today I choose violence!

Blue (00:07:00):
I will say the second half of Rocky Horror is not as good as the first.

Red (00:07:05):
That's fair. I think I just didn't get the appeal, honestly.

Blue (00:07:07):
Yeah.

Indigo (00:07:08):
Okay, I jumped into the podcast to interrupt because red summoned me with the movie hot takes that genuinely feel like an affront to my culture, but I'm going to disappear and tell you guys get back on topic.

Red (00:07:16):
Not a hot take!

Blue (00:07:18):
And this is a great encapsulation of how hard it is to talk about the history of Sicily without getting dragged into the fucking mafia. Like I, I had to Google so many things. I'm like mafia origin, south Italy, mafia, uh, pictures, crime question mark?

Blue (00:07:36):
It was like, it's so hard to research this stuff without like, like falling under the, like very like obvious, like this is like, if there was anything that could, could, could get you, uh, on the list of like dumb shit you Google that you shouldn't Google. Um, yeah, it was, uh, yeah.

Red (00:07:55):
It's up there.

Blue (00:07:55):
Anyway, jumping back to before the, uh, before the 1860s and seventies, um, I, I had a lot of fun with it. Um, even though I did a lot of skipping over the later parts because the Spanish, the Spanish period, um, is like, ah, it's a bunch of people from, from Spain coming in to build nice houses and not doing anything else. Uh, yup. For 500 years. Cool. Uh, and it's, um, there's a lot of implications for like those kinds of systems where it's like, yeah, sure. There is tremendous wealth in, in, you know, in this kingdom of Sicily, but like it's not being spent on any of the right stuff.

Blue (00:08:30):
There was, there was one frame that I had, uh, when I was talking about Sicilian Baroque where it's like, it's only okay to build like mega works when the people are actually like able to provide for themselves and exist because if they're impoverished and you're building public mega works, you're just being a dick and a few people caught that and I'm glad they did. Uh, yeah, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of, of, of what else I like my brain keeps on taking me back to the mafia, but like, you know, the Norman stuff, the multiculturalism was was was really cool. Obviously. Um, a couple, you know what, there were a couple, a couple of comments that, that, that really were like, Aw man, you, you, you did the dumb today. Uh, because there were some people who said, yeah, the thing with Sicilian history being so like multicultural is like, who does it belong to?

Blue (00:09:19):
Like, it doesn't belong to the French. Doesn't belong to the Scandinavians. Cause you know, they were Normans and then they came down and it doesn't, it doesn't belong to the Greeks. It doesn't belong to the Muslims. It doesn't belong to anybody. I'm like, it belongs to, the Sicilians you dipshit.

Red (00:09:35):
Yeah what are you talking about.

Blue (00:09:35):
So there's, and this is actually, this is a, a fairly common line of attack, um, against these kinds of, of multi-ethnic cultures. Like, oh, I can't put this into one box. Therefore I can't ascribe it to any like, you know, continuity or, or let anyone, you know, take pride in this because, oh, Sicilian history doesn't belong to any one person. Therefore, no one can claim it. It's like, no, as the opposite, everyone who has participated in it can claim participation in it, including the Sicilians who are still there, it's their home and this, I mean, you see this a lot. It's sometimes it's a dog whistle. Sometimes it's just people being dumb and rude. But, um, I saw a couple of comments like that that really, really piss me off. So I wanted to, uh, to address those ones, um, yeah. Don't let people get away with that shit.

Red (00:10:26):
Yeah really like it, it seems like that ties into this broader space of just like people claiming and rejecting cultures that they like or dislike almost willy nilly. Uh, I mean, like you have discussed at length in various videos, mostly about Britain, uh, that like there's a longstanding tradition of like cultures claiming to be the heirs of like Rome and Greece. And it's like, Greece is still there. My dude, Greek people live there and some Romans and it's just like, yes, but like, but like us up here, you know, with all our sheep and rocks and nothing else we're, we're the true heirs of the Roman empire, because we're cool. And that's the old, and you know, I mean, I don't want to say cultural appropriation because that has such like so many implications attached to it, but that's literally a lot of what that is, is like, you know, this culture is cool and I want to identify with it even though I, you know, have no connection to it and this culture confuses me. So I want to categorically say that it's probably dead and nobody can connect to it. And it's just like, guys, guys, most of this is none of your business!

Blue (00:11:29):
It's the assertion that this, yeah, it's the assertion that this cool thing was secretly mine all along. Um, so by, by, uh, forcibly rejecting that, uh, um, uh, you can actually better understand how history works. Uh, yeah. Th there there's a lot of, of, of side topics, um, within this, but, uh, it is a surprisingly common line of attack to basically deny that people who live in a place can claim like authentic, um, not even ownership, but can claim, you know, kinship with XYZ from the past like, oh, you know, modern Egyptians, oh, modern Greeks. Aren't real Greeks. It's like, no, the fuck are you on about?

Red (00:12:12):
And who are you to get to declare that Mr. I live in England or America?

Blue (00:12:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So a much longer conversation. Um, but, uh, it, it, it's an interesting space because there are so many players who have had a hand, um, in this, this Southern Italian historical game, um, that, that no one can claim any singular ownership, but everyone can claim participation. Uh, and the people who can claim like, yes, this is my stuff. Are the Sicilians. If you live in Sicily, Sicily is your history. So it doesn't belong to any particular ethnic group. It belongs to Sicilians. It's a geographical thing. And everyone who's been a part of Sicilian history can claim participation, but you can't exclude people on that, which is, which is the point I'm trying to make.

Red (00:13:03):
You know, what's interesting about that

Red (00:13:05):
Like, uh, there's this kind of idea. I've noticed that like America, the, the modern version of the US as, as like this kind of cultural melting pot of everything is like this, this new unprecedented thing that we're kind of figuring out how to process. And it's like, what does it mean to be American? What, what part of the identity can you claim, especially for, you know, all the different ways people came to this country that leads to all kinds of different connections to that kind of complex identity, but like when you were describing Sicily, it's like, yeah, there's a ton of people here. It is a melting pot. How do we wait a minute? This isn't a new concept at all. And I think that's why it's so hard to categorize, like what we're running into the same problem nowadays with a living culture that we're in. And it's like, you know, you look back historically, it's something that was very similar. And it's like, well, it's difficult to put this in any one ethnic box. And it's like, yeah, we're living that right now. Why is this weird to you?

Blue (00:13:53):
Yeah, no, I, I w w one thing I'll add is that the, the, the concept of, uh, of, of a melting pot is that that phrasing is, is I think specifically American, uh, Canada uses the term that I actually prefer, which is a cultural mosaic, um, which is not to say that everyone has to melt together and become the same, the same, like cultural, ethnic goo. Uh, but, but that as a mosaic, all the pieces fit together to make something bigger as, as, uh, uh, as the combination of all that. So the phrase that I coined in this video was culture is harmonic is another way to describe that, which is, you know, every, everyone still is, is their own little musical note, but when you play those notes together, it sounds a lot better than all the notes on their own. So, um, yeah, there've been, you know, um, Islamic world with the, Maimonides video from, from two weeks ago, uh, last Pau, you know, this, this kind of thing happens a lot.

Blue (00:14:45):
Um, and it's, it's cool to recognize it when it does. And then the unfortunate tragedy of, of Sicily is that after the, uh, after the Hautevilles and the, uh, the whole Hohenstaufen family who, uh, uh, our friend, uh, Ludohistory, uh Yellow said, I gave the Hohenstaufens a little bit of, uh, of short shrift. And I'll actually double back to them in a future video later this year, uh, which will be exciting. Um, but, uh, even though I gave them a little bit too little credit, um, after them, you, you really see it drop off when people who have no idea what was special about this culture come in, stomp on it, and then just extract it for wealth. Uh, so anyway, uh, before we get too, too far into, uh, into very annoyed, um, arguments about, um, people being, being dumb and also racist, uh, let's transition, uh, into, um, something, uh

Red (00:15:36):
Much more palatable yeah.

Blue (00:15:40):
Yeah, Red take it away.

Red (00:15:41):
Yeah yeah. So my trope talk for, uh, for this week was about the subject of fridging. Um, and before we get into it, I want to say, this is not a video that I am 100% happy with. Um, I I'm like, I'm pretty happy with it. I mean, you know, I, I wrote it the way I did for a reason, but like, the more I thought about it, the more I edited through it, I just been looking at it for too long, you know, like I got to the point where it's like, I was only seeing all right, I could have polished this up a little more. I could have added like a five minute discussion of this thing, but I was like, no, you know, ultimately, whatever, you know, I had thoughts on it and I put them out. So I'm happy with that. But you know, a lot of the comments and the replies were a little bit kind of more confused than I wanted them to be because the trope as I discussed it is kind of difficult to categorically define.

Red (00:16:25):
Um, partially because I was working on the more complicated definition than the one that was coined initially by Gail Simone, back in like the nineties, uh, where it was a much simpler concept because the traditional definition of fridging is not the one I used of, oh, it's a character getting unceremoniously killed specifically to hurt another character. It is specifically that in superhero comics, there is kind of a dearth, or at least there was, and still is of, uh, important female characters with arcs that aren't centered on the latest male protagonist who can be made to suffer by killing them. Uh, so, you know, Kyle Rayner's girlfriend is a, the example that is on the thumbnail and the one that coined the phrase. But Gwen Stacy is an example, a lots of characters like moms and girlfriends mostly. And just at the time, there were really no other solid female characters in comics.

Red (00:17:14):
And the fact is if they introduced a female character, she would almost always get killed off or brutalized or something like that. And like Barbara Gordon in the killing joke was kind of seen as insult to injury in that. Cause it's like, she was a cool character. She was a superhero and she still got fridged. Um, so, you know, this is a, this is kind of a spicy topic. Uh, I, when I address tropes like this, I try and go for the structural issue. And in this case, there are two structural issues. One of them is unceremoniously and brutally killing a character, specifically hurting another character usually means that the impact will actually not work. Like, as I said, it's a fundamentally broken concept to kill a character is to impact the story in some way. But if the writer does not care about the character they're killing, then the impact is going to be automatically reduced.

Red (00:17:57):
The, the trope kneecaps itself, halfway across the starting line. But the flip side is like, okay, well, why does this trope disproportionately affect women and stuff? Oh, because the female characters are seen as less worthwhile and less important, which is due to, you know, cultural structures of sexism and, and just, and you know, it's, it's not just women. It's also like, okay, if you have a character who's not white, the odds are good that they might get fridged too. You know, all these demographics and groups that are seen as more disposable than the protagonists, those structures exist outside of the space of fiction. You know, those problems are, are mirrored into fiction because of the bias. These are the writers that are writing them, the trope itself. As I tried to categorize, it was the, the narrative structure that, that produces this, um, this ultimate problem, rather than the characters it specifically targets. But as several people pointed out, the official definition of the trope does not sweep the fact that it's a deeply misogynistic structure under the rug. And, uh, I, I probably could have added like five minutes to the video to specifically discuss the, uh, the structural stuff that contributes to that. And the, um, you know, but the video was already kind of long.

Blue (00:19:03):
And hey, that's what the podcast is for. That's why we're here.

Red (00:19:05):
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And people did seem to like it. I think I got a few people being like, oh, you're obviously cherry picking examples. And I'm like, ah, I am not, I am picking examples that work you ass. But like, I mean, you know, this is, this is a complicated trope and every character death is a little bit different. Uh, so it's like, okay, this character, death may look like this, but it's actually this and this character death looks like it fits some of the definitions, but that's why we clearly can't just work on the definition I've already given. We have to add more factors. You know, a lot of the time it's like, well, what, what separates a fridging death from an non-fridging death? Uh, how good the writing is, but that's not a very helpful thing for me to say. So I try and narrow it down more.

Red (00:19:42):
It's like, okay, if you kill this character off screen, that's a bad sign. But even then killing a character on screen, doesn't really save you from it. Okay. So how much, how much weight do you give the character death? How much does it affect the characters going forward that affects it? Like the, the example I kept circling back to, to refine my definition was, uh, Lisa and Castlevania, because on paper, she kind of topologically resembles a fridging death, but she really isn't. And it was difficult for me to figure out why that is for a while until it's like, okay. She, she really impacts the story. And the fact that her death is unfair and we miss her as a person is really, I think what makes it, the fact that we get her in, we get invested in her in like five minutes and we want to see her succeed. And then they take that away. Like it's not, oh, no, I feel so bad for how this affects Dracula and Alucard. We don't even know Alucard at this point. You know, we haven't met him yet. We, we feel bad at how it affects Dracula because we saw the same thing, Lisa did that he could be better and now he's not going to be better. It's, you know, it's difficult.

Blue (00:20:43):
The, one of the clear markings of a fridging is does the plot forget about it five seconds later, um, which is the, the Natasha bench in a lake test. Uh, but the thing with Castlevania is that the entire impetus of the show is on a narrative level. It's based on the fact that Lisa was killed, but the, the entire driving force for Alucard and Dracula is not just that Lisa died, but their relationships to Lisa, um, and the character that she represented while she was alive and even what she represents in death. So

Red (00:21:23):
Actually, you know what? I Think I just found figured out another part of why that worked. Um, it, a lot of cases, when a character gets fridged, the protagonist who's angry about this is angry at the person who killed him, like, like very specifically. And it turns into a vendetta it's essentially just a heroic motivation for why they hate the villain so much. Um, and in Castlevania, the guy who kills Lisa is essentially killed unceremoniously and off screen, and it doesn't do anything to help. It's not about him. And that's so much of this. I think ultimately the, the, the, the, the white hot nugget at the center of fridging is who is this about? Is it about the person who dies or not? And Castlevania is about Lisa in a very real way, but, Endgame is not about Natasha and Infinity War is not about Gamora and their deaths are not about them. Tasha dying is about Hawkeye Gamora dying is about Thanos, and later Star-Lord,

Blue (00:22:19):
Those two are a fascinating example because they, they work in different ways and they reveal very different things about the shortcomings of each movie. I think it was, it was great that, that you were able to compare those two. And it's real bullshit that we were in a position of having those two to compare both times someone gets yeeted off the cliff of Vormir. It's a fridging scenario

Red (00:22:45):
Its like MCU. You did not have that many female characters to start with, and you had the audacity to tease me with killing your watered down version of Hawkeye, and then pull it away from me.

Blue (00:22:58):
I can imagine, like, like Marvel's, what if that just went up on Disney plus recently. It's like, what if a man got thrown off Vormir instead, and Red Skulls like, Shit I didn't think we'd get this far.

Red (00:23:08):
Actually, I will say that from what I've heard, uh, the people who've been writing the last episodes of What If clearly hate what happened in Infinity War and Endgame with Natasha and like went out of their way to undercut it at every possible turn. Um, I, I don't know the details. I haven't watched it, but as I understand it, there's at least one timeline where Natasha is the only survivor in the entire universe of Ultron wiping everything out. And she doesn't even die at any point. I think she makes it into a better universe to hang out, which is great. Uh, and it's just like, you know, it's what she deserves. But like when, when Endgame came out, actually just a quick tangent, because a few people noticed that my phrasing in the video made it sound like Black Widow had not yet come out.

Red (00:23:48):
And that's because I wrote it before Black Widow had come out. Um, and here's the problem. I have not seen Black Widow. I have not been able to bring myself to, because the way I see it, there are two possible options. If it's bad, that is insult to injury. If it's good, they had 10 years to do this before she was safely dead. And they didn't, and that's stupid. So there's no winning here. Like they, they, they beefed it so hard for a decade that they cannot recover at this point, because no matter what they do, they already killed her before she got a solo movie, they killed her off. And that's ridiculous. God. Uh, and I actually remember when I was watching Endgame in theaters, uh, Natasha has a personality. It's crazy. Like they give her a personality. I didn't. I was like, wow, wow. Finally, someone in the writer's room realized, wait a minute. I watched with growing dread as they set it up. And I was like, they can't do that. She doesn't have her solo movie yet. They wouldn't be that stupid. That would be ridiculous. And, um, yeah. So,

Blue (00:24:59):
Yeah. Um, so it was a, that was, um, one of the trickier Trope Talk, um, topics, uh, because there there's a lot wound up in it. Uh, and it's like, in order to really appreciate this joke, we have to unwind about 3000 years of culturally institutionalized sexism. Um, but anyway, um,

Red (00:25:21):
As a benefit, uh, Gail Simone follows us on Twitter now, so that's cool.

Blue (00:25:25):
Great week for our Twitter follows.

Red (00:25:28):
Yeah, seriously.

Blue (00:25:29):
We have to, we have to maintain a careful balance of, of who we follow to, to, to stay at the funny number. Um, but it's always worth it in the end.

Red (00:25:37):
Always worth it. Yeah. But, um, yeah. Yeah, it was, um, it was a spicy couple of weeks, I think. I think overall they did want me,

Blue (00:25:44):
Surprisingly so.

Red (00:25:44):
I mean, you know, the, the Trope Talk still hit trending, so there's only so bad I can feel about like, oh, if only I polished it just a little more, it's like, eh, you know whatevs I'll take it. After a certain point, you got to go fire and forget with your art, you know, like

Blue (00:25:56):
Yeah, it's, you can't, you know, spend a million years trying to polish one single thing and get it perfect. I think Hank Green had the like 80% ruleget it, which is like 80% of the way to perfect. And then you're good. And let's move on. We've been here for way too long.

Red (00:26:12):
We have yes, let's move on to the,

Blue (00:26:14):
Q&A time.

Red (00:26:14):
Q&A time, woo!

Indigo (00:26:19):
Hello and welcome to the Q&A portion of the Overly Sarcastic Podcast where we answer your questions from ask-ospod on discord. These questions come from, uh, all of ask-ospod on discord, man. I've, I've had very little, uh, to consume today besides somewhat sugary coffee. So we're gonna really be going through a time today. Uh,

Blue (00:26:42):
Here's a thing, uh, sleep dep is proportional to the quality of the OSpod.

Indigo (00:26:47):
And that is to say that none of us ever have any sleep the night before recording for God knows what reason

Red (00:26:53):
I got some sleep, but less sleep than I did for the entire previous week. So, yeah, yeah,

Indigo (00:26:59):
Yeah. Uh, these, this first question comes from one of our lovely patrons. If you want to support the pod support the channel, consider becoming a patron and have your question read first on a future episode, this question comes from Ozymandias, the First and Last, to Blue. If you could grant yourself any of the strange and wacky Royal court titles and nicknames throughout history, which would you go for? Personally, I'm partial to thunder dragon emperor.

Red (00:27:22):
Woah.

Indigo (00:27:22):
Which is pretty good.

Blue (00:27:24):
Okay. There are some, there's some real wacky, uh, Royal titles that exist. I think the most famous one is for like the president of Uganda, um, which is like 30 titles long, like defeater of a defender of Africa and conquer of the British, uh, in Africa, in general and Uganda in particular, something silly like that.

Red (00:27:50):
I'm looking this up.

Blue (00:27:51):
Oh yeah. Okay. Um, but, uh, you know, I haven't thought about that. I don't, I don't think of myself as being a Royal on a, quite a regular basis, um,

Red (00:28:04):
Well I found a title, uh, for, uh, his excellency president for life field marshall. Al Hadji Dr. Idi Amin Dada VC, DSO MC Lord of all the beasts of the earth and fishes of the sea and conquer of the British empire in Africa in general and Uganda in particular.

Blue (00:28:16):
Yeah! There it is.

Red (00:28:19):
He also unofficially referred to himself as the King of Scotland, according to this Quora entry,

Blue (00:28:24):
If you bought like four parcel or like four square feet of land from that, that like, uh, that, um, company that gives you like a square foot of land in Scotland, and you can legally call yourself a Lord. Cause I got like a dozen of these I become king right?

Red (00:28:39):
So tempting honestly,

Blue (00:28:40):
Anyway, uh, yeah. I, I don't know. I think, um, as far as like, cause I don't think about it for Kings a lot. I think about it for, for like country titles more often. Cause that's, that's more of where I, more of where I work. So like, you know, uh, the most Serine Republic of Venice like, you can't beat it. It's so simple. It's so clean. It gets the point across perfectly. There is nothing more descriptive with fewer syllables than that. Cause there are a lot of countries that go to great lengths to make themselves look good and they do not pull it off with, uh, with the words they choose.

Red (00:29:15):
Aren't there are a lot of like Royal titles for like the emperor's boyfriend, uh, where, where the emperor is like, I'm going to give this guy a promotion so we can hang out in my quarters more. And you know, I, I know there's been history of that where like, like the Queens, like, uh, uh, um, I just realized there's no male equivalent for mistress that that appropriately gets the implications across.

Blue (00:29:37):
Boy toy.

Red (00:29:37):
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Red (00:29:38):
Yeah, okay. Boy toy, I was like master is fully wrong. Ah, yes.

Blue (00:29:44):
Uh, yeah. Um, the one example, uh, this is a bit of a historical tangent. I mean, this is what the question asks, so who am I to fuckin', uh, apologize, um, with Roman emperor titles by the ends, like Diocletian has like fully 30 titles to his name before, like the name Diocletian. Um, but when you get Augustus it's, um, you know, uh, Caesar Divi Filius Augustus, uh, Son of the Divine Julius Caesar, you know, the, um, the, uh, God, what the does Agustus literally mean? It technically it means like increased, but like the greater or like the, the magnificent or something, um, like Caesar Divi F like Augustus really, really got it good in very few, uh, characters on that one. Um, cause some people just like, they, they throw words, they throw syllables, it just turns into like alphabet soup of titles and it means nothing. But if you can like make the point in like two words, then, then you got it. You gotta use the thesaurus. Well, don't just fill the th that the thesaurus, you know?

Red (00:30:48):
For Royal titles less is more.

Blue (00:30:50):
Yeah, exactly. You shouldn't need to have to say it.

Indigo (00:30:58):
Excellent. Uh, well this, this next question comes from LittleDragon. Considering October is ADHD awareness month. Is anyone on the OSP team on the neurodivergent spectrum? I don't know if this was already addressed and I've been wondering if I'm projecting onto some of my favorite creators.

Red (00:31:14):
Um, well, caveat not diagnosed, but odds are very good on the ADHD side of things at this point. Like every time I see one of them, there big checklists of like, if you do these things, you should probably talk to a doctor. And I'm like, how relatable this funny internet post is. And, um, yeah, but like, I, honestly, the thing is like, I'm, I'm fine. And I worked out a work ethic that really works for me. So I don't really see a need to seek that out, but like it, you know, it helps me to know what, uh, what methods and coping mechanisms I should look up if I'm having a bad brain day as it were.

Blue (00:31:50):
Yeah. As far as I'm aware, I don't have anything that that could be, um, like diagnosable to anything specifically. Um, my brain works in weird ways, but I don't know if it's anything that appears on a chart, uh, what I'm trying to say. Um, but, uh, as far as I'm aware, um, aside from some, some possibly, uh, unhealthy geographic obsessions with, uh, with the Mediterranean in general and Uganda in particular, uh, I, um, nothing that would, would put me, um, on the spectrum.

Indigo (00:32:22):
Yeah. I'm, uh, officially ADHD as of like two months ago, got very recently diagnosed. Woo. Because for very similar reasons to red. I was like, I just noticed a lot of this has been a reoccurring themes of like, oh, I do all of those things. And so I, uh, wanted to have a label for it if only so that I know, and then what I'm going. Cause I'm very particular. I don't like to self-diagnose for things. So I wanted to know officially what was up and, uh, they were like, you know, you, you got it in one mysterious Indigo person and I was like, oh, good to know. So it's just, uh, helps find strats to, to get around bad brain days. But, uh, yeah.

Red (00:33:02):
I have found that uh, apparently one of the, uh, one of the things about that is that, uh, stimulants don't affect your brain the way they affect other people's brains. Uh it's essentially, I think, I don't know how much of this is pseudoscience, but as I understand it, the actual neurological component of ADHD that people can tell is that, uh, dopamine levels are very low compared to the average. And there's like, there's like a passive dopamine drip that most people get just by doing stuff like accomplishing chores, which sounds fake as hell to me. Like you're telling me your brain rewards you for doing nothing ridiculous

Blue (00:33:32):
Actually, though, kind of like.

Red (00:33:35):
Thats ridiculous

Blue (00:33:35):
when I, when I vacuum like the haptic feedback, haptic feedback of like getting a little dusting in goes, fwoom that's that? That's good. That's good. Yeah.

Red (00:33:44):
And, uh, and you know, I believe the gist is that it seems like the, the main, the core mechanism behind ADHD is that that does not happen. So you get reward dopamine for doing bigger things or exciting new things, but you don't get it for doing anything that like, you, you already know how to do, which basically turns into reward seeking. So a lot of the quote, unquote symptoms of like, oh, you know, they seem really hyperactive. They can't focus. They can't sit still. It's like, yeah, they're working on like zero levels of functionality because they're bored out of their skull to a level you never reach you, you privileged to feeder drip of dopamine, you. Uh, and then, uh, so what this means is that when you have a stimulant, it like, it, it spikes your levels up to closer to normal. Uh, and I think the first time I was like, okay, yeah, that's probably what's happening is the first time I made dalgona coffee. That thing that was super hot on Tik ToK last year, uh, because you're supposed to make it with two tablespoons of instant coffee, which is roughly the equivalent of six cups of coffee. And I was like, I'm going to make this, drink it and document what happens. And what happened is I had a very productive work night for eight hours. And then I went to sleep. So yeah,

Indigo (00:34:48):
Yeah, yeah I know I made a joke like five minutes ago about being a little jittery from coffee. But what I'm actually jittery from is the amount of sugar that I, because I went out today to get coffee and they put a lot of sweetener into it and I usually just drink black coffee, which helps me focus as opposed to like making me really crazy

Red (00:35:01):
Sugar does that to me too. Yeah.

Indigo (00:35:04):
Yeah, It's the sugar not the caffeine.

Red (00:35:04):
Stimulant. Exactly. Yeah. And I actually had an experience with a family friend who also, uh, she was like, yeah, you know, I, I, uh, I just, man coffee never wakes me up. And I was like, this is going to be a weird question. Do you have ADHD? And everyone else, we were hanging out with burst into laughter because apparently unbeknownst to me, she had super ADHD. So I was like, okay, hell yeah. But like yeah. Long story short. Yeah. Odds are pretty good at this point. And if nothing else, the coping mechanisms work for me. So we're like, you know, after a certain point I it's personal preference. I don't feel the need to seek a diagnosis because I like handling this stuff by myself anyway. And it's like, if it's working for you and if the coping mechanisms help you, you don't need to know for sure what you are, the techniques can still help you out, you know?

Indigo (00:35:49):
Yeah, yeah. Ultimately like I found it helpful to have the diagnosis just because it helps me focus in on like, okay, here's the things that I got to work on. He's like why my brain works the way it does, but that's not necessarily true for everyone. Like you said, if you don't find the label helpful, then you don't necessarily need to seek out the label. You can just look at for a coping mechanisms that work for you.

Red (00:36:07):
It's like coming out. You know, if it helps you, it helps you. But if it doesn't, don't force it,

Indigo (00:36:11):
Yeah, and even within like ADHD, you have people experience different parts of it in different ways. So like, you know, maybe you're the caffeine thing isn't necessarily as true for you as it would be for someone else, you know, find what works for you. du du du du du, wibbly answers that are not super helpful, but ultimately true. Like if, if seeking a therapist help to help you figure it out is good for you. Great. If just watching that one guy on Tik ToK, whose name I'm blanking on, but does really relatable ADHD videos helps you also great do what you got. I'll look him up and drop him his name in the show notes. Cause I actually watch a lot of stuff, but uh, yeah. Funtimes. Yeah. So one definitely yes, one sorta and one, uh, gets more dopamine from vacuuming than the other two of us.

Blue (00:36:49):
Yeah. I, I'm not trying to like, like brag about being fucking normal Bob over here. It is just that I, I never found myself like falling into any of the traditional buckets of like, oh, like, are you ADD, are you ADHD? Like I never felt like I ever, like when you were talking about that stuff, like early in school, like figuring out how those things like work and that they exist like dyslexia. I was like, I don't think any of that's me. Um, surely there is something in my brain that is slightly different from, uh, from everyone else on earth. But, um, nothing that I could add this point, uh, put a label on. Um,

Red (00:37:24):
you know? I'm sorry. The, the funny thing is ADHD is so undiagnosed in girls.

Indigo (00:37:30):
Oh, so much.

Red (00:37:30):
and it's just like thinking back as, as a, as a rambunctious youngster that I was, um, I was the most textbook case in the world. I would not stop running in the halls. I couldn't pay attention in class. Every single report card I ever had was like, she's brilliant. If only she'd apply herself. Like I was being distracted to mess with my teacher specifically as if I could pay enough attention to remember their personalities. And like, for like for like 10 years straight, it was like, you're, I mean, yeah, oh, she's a problem child. But like, she's so smart if only she applied herself and paid more attention anyway, back to diagnosing the boys in her class for being slightly loud.

Indigo (00:38:12):
That's the thing is what's really interesting about it. Cause I found that like now in hindsight, knowing that I am this thing, everything about my school experience suddenly made sense like, oh, that's why I have to very hype, like very intently take notes during lectures or else I don't, I zone out, and I don't get any of the information because it's the activity of doing something forces me to pay attention. That's not really something that they cause I was taking very good notes. That's not something that they note as like a possible symptom. Cause the symptoms that people tend to diagnose for ADHD when you're younger, tend to be the ones that show up in particularly hyperactive young boys, as opposed to like young girls tend to experience it a little bit differently. It tends to be so the whole diagnostic tools are crazy.

Red (00:38:55):
Yeah. Which is interesting about that specifically, because thinking about it the way my, uh, probable ADHD presented itself was very much the way you expect it to manifest in boys because I never developed any masking methods because I never paid enough attention to realize what people wanted from me. Um, so I never figured out a way to like hide my symptoms or manage them. I would just like curl up in the back of the class with my notebook on my knees. Like that meant nobody could see, I was doodling all through class and it didn't matter cause I was getting good grades cause I could pay attention better than if I was drawing. And I think I had a couple teachers in high school who had to know that was what I was doing and never made a big deal out of it. I had at least one, one math class where, uh, I had to go up to the board at one point I put my notebook down and I had just been drawing this like robot guy and a couple of people who were like sitting next to me were like, the fuck is that?

Red (00:39:39):
But like teacher never brought it up. I was getting good grades. I was doing fine. So it didn't matter how I got them as long as I was doing okay. And like that was honestly really helpful for me. Um, because that meant by the time I was in college, I had it down to a science. I'm going to sit the back corner. I'm going to tilt my chair back and I'm going to get good grades, baby. But um, yeah, no, it's a, the diagnostic procedures all wrong. I think. Well, at least it was when I was, you know, little, I think it's just that there are the stereotypes and people can diagnose for the stereotypes, but the stereotypes are gendered and they don't recognize them when they present in women.

Blue (00:40:12):
Now here's the thing. I actually may have something to contribute to this conversation after all, because I was a horrible student all through middle school and most of high school, but I behaved, so no one told me anything was off. It's like, yeah, blue is not like he doesn't really care. He doesn't like work hard at all. And he doesn't like seem to try or have any investment, but he's polite and he shuts up. So clearly he's fine. It's like, guys wait a minute.

Indigo (00:40:38):
This sort of speaks to a larger issue in the general education system where it's like, if you're a kid who's not making a problem for anyone else, if you're not being disruptive or uh, not in any way, like breaking up the potential for other people to get through a class or distracting, the teacher is usually the way it usually comes up. You're probably going to fly under the radar. And you know, for me, like I wasn't necessarily a good student, but I did really well in school because I was able to do very similar things to Red where I was like, well, I'm not really paying attention at all, but I I'm getting good grades. So no one really cares if you're not the problem child, quote unquote, um, you're going to just skate through under the radar.

Red (00:41:17):
And the funny thing is I was absolutely the problem child in middle school, but it didn't seem to occur to anybody. Like I knew like there, there were people in my family, boys who like the teachers were like, we think you should get him diagnosed and possibly put on something to make a him little bit more chill. And it's like, and then there's me in the background climbing on shit in the back of the class. And they're like settle down and pay more attention. Anyway, it's just, God, it's really funny. Um, in hindsight at the time it wasn't all that funny. Um, but yeah, short answer. I think there's a reason why our ragtag crew of misfits has banded together to sort of dismantle the education system. We were all failed by it in different ways. Not that I think a diagnosis would have done me any good at that age. Honestly. I honestly think I kind of dodged a bullet there, but it's just really funny in hindsight, like yeah, she can't shut up or sit down, but you know, it's probably normal.

Indigo (00:42:15):
Yeah. It's one of those things where like diagnosis makes a lot of things, make sense in hindsight and some stuff where I was like, I didn't even realize that that was potentially not a thing that other people were doing. It was like, oh, you taught yourself how to knit last night. Great. You know, you were.

Blue (00:42:29):
Go getter!

Indigo (00:42:29):
supposed to do anything else related to your homework, right? It's like, no, no, no. But the dopamine told me that I should knit a blanket and that's what I've done. But, um,

Red (00:42:39):
That reminds me, I had, I'm sorry. I had a music teacher who was very frustrated with me for all the reasons I've just laid out. I was a really good student, but I was completely uncontrollable. And the problem is I never had the patience to learn how to sight read. Like he taught us how to sight read from the very beginning. I never had the patience. What I would do instead is I would wait for him to play the song once and then I would be able to play it from memory. And he, after he figured out that was what was happening, he was like, fine. Keep the sheet music so that you can reference it fine. But like I did not. I was the worst music student. I would play my songs faster than the rest of the group. So I could be done faster to show off that I knew what I was doing and I didn't need to be there, and it didn't occur to me for fucking years that that's not how music is supposed to work. That teacher, fucking, patience of a Saint. I swear to God.

Indigo (00:43:29):
Yeah. Uh, uh, but you know, make the system work for you. Don't work for the system. This next question comes from Wolf626. To all, if you guys were in a, the Mummy, 1999 style adventure, what would your team roles be? What would be the treasure and what would be the monster guarding it? So for those unfamiliar, you can always go watch the Moviestruck episode of the Mummy. But, uh, the Mummy 1999 is a perfect movie. And uh, it's basically an adventure where they're going to find the treasure, uh, a lost treasure in the city of the dead. It's got our iconic, uh our team comp to kind of run through it. Since, since we're putting ourselves into these roles, we've got Rick O'Connell, he's our, our sort of a roguish roguishly, charming fighter, man. He shoots, shoots first ask questions later.

Red (00:44:18):
Dibs, dibs. I'm calling dibs on Rick. I want to be Rick.

Indigo (00:44:22):
You got Evelyn. She's the librarian, the brains of the group. She knows all the mythology. She knows all the legends. She can read ancient Egyptian she's here. You're your braniac, getting you through a little bit, a little bit lacking in street smarts, but booksmarts off the charts you've got, uh, Jonathan, her brother, he's a sort of the kooky goofball who somehow manages to like, pratfall his way to surviving the plot

Red (00:44:46):
And shockingly competent all things considered.

Indigo (00:44:47):
Shockingly competent, especially in thievery, and pick-pocketing. He's our roguish a roguish goofball. He's not an edge lord rogue. He's a goofball rogue. And then there's a variety of other characters who get killed off very quickly. There's the token greedy guy who goes down first to the curse. That's that's the Warden.

Red (00:45:03):
Okay, we can't forget my dude Ardeth Bay, alright.

Indigo (00:45:06):
Oh, of course he comes in later in the movie to actually join the group, Ardeth Bay. The one who's in on it from the beginning, the guy who is a member of the, uh, sort of cult who's been protecting the ancient site and is a very capable fighter in his own right. Uh, but knows, knows the lore behind everything that's going on because it's been passed down for generations, sort of the, the more stoic bad-ass type to the scoundrelly, Rick O'Connell bad-ass and then there's also the villains and things.

Red (00:45:32):
Evee's brother is also very important for the plot because he is the only, not hot person representation. We have in the main cast

Indigo (00:45:37):
Uh excuse me.

Red (00:45:40):
Oh, come on. You know, you know,

Indigo (00:45:42):
Is he as hot as Rick O'Connell and, Evee.

Red (00:45:46):
and Ardeth.

Indigo (00:45:46):
and Ardeth, no, but is he not hot? Incorrect.

Red (00:45:51):
We'll agree to disagree on that one.

Indigo (00:45:53):
Okay. Well, anyway, if we were to sort ourselves into our own adventuring crew of similar roles, where do we, where do we think we'd all fall?

Blue (00:46:00):
Hmm.

Red (00:46:02):
Blue, tell me, you've watched the Mummy 1999 at least once.

Indigo (00:46:04):
Blues face says no, but I hope I hope his answer says yes.

Blue (00:46:06):
No

Red (00:46:09):
That's impossible. It's the best movie ever made.

Indigo (00:46:10):
It's a perfect movie. And I don't say that about a lot of movies, but it's perfect. Like I wouldn't change a fucking thing.

Red (00:46:17):
Didn't Roger Ebert have a review of it where he's like the only good thing I can say about this trash fire is that I had an absolutely fantastic time watching it and yeah, that's really, it. That's all there is. It's a awesome movie.

Indigo (00:46:28):
It's both well-made and flawless in execution. It commits to a bit, but, uh, no, I think,

Blue (00:46:36):
I feel like the only character who I could possibly fill the role in is Evelyn but, Red you actually know middle Egyptian.

Red (00:46:45):
Well, a little.

Indigo (00:46:47):
If the treasure we're going for is like a lost scroll from the library of Alexandria. Then it's possible that you might actually be more of the Evelyn in that case.

Blue (00:46:59):
So we're not specifically going pyramid hunting?

Indigo (00:46:59):
They did ask us to ask like, what treasure are we looking for? And I think based on the current like OSP universe, it's real. It's just

Blue (00:47:06):
This is a multi-faceted question,

Indigo (00:47:08):
That's why we're answering it.

Red (00:47:10):
Yeah. And again, I'm not even conversational in middle Egyptian at this point.

Indigo (00:47:14):
Is anyone?

Red (00:47:14):
I can read the alphabetical hieroglyphs. It goes so well, my teacher was, uh, she was a scary lady, but everything else. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I feel like the thing is I have to be the Rick because I do not have it in me to, to pay enough attention to the lore. And I really liked the approach of like, just point me in the direction of the thing that needs to explode and I'll do my best. It's like, that's a, that's a nice, that's a nice role I could, but also his outfit killer.

Indigo (00:47:43):
If I didn't already have my Halloween costume locked in for this year Rick O'Connell would be rocketing to the top of the list real fast.

Red (00:47:47):
Those side holsters. Yeah. He kind of always like, it's weird, he's wearing a full outfit and yet you get the impression that he's like artfully disheveled the whole time. It's very odd.

Indigo (00:48:00):
Floppy haired brunette scoundrel is a character type all into itself and it's who I aspire to be. But I think realistically out of the, the mummy gang, if blue is the Evelyn and you're the Rick, I'm probably Jonathan, just like, I don't think I'm Ardeth because I'm not like a guns, a blazing going, I don't know the lore inherently.

Red (00:48:18):
Ah gotcha.

Indigo (00:48:20):
And I tend to, tend to veer more into making a joke out of a situation than I do taking it seriously. And I think of the remaining characters, that's probably more of a Jonathan trait than a, a warden.

Red (00:48:29):
That does mean you're probably better at surviving then almost anyone else in the movie.

Indigo (00:48:33):
I mean, I did make it to the end.

Red (00:48:37):
Yeah, Blue we gotta sit you down and watch the Mummy.

Indigo (00:48:37):
Yeah. Well, I think what we're learning from this question is we've got to make blue, watch the Mummy.

Blue (00:48:42):
I haven't seen like most of the movies that are like, oh, absolute classic. I was like, I don't know. I was too busy watching Looney Tunes as far as like my like youth understanding of media is concerned. If it wasn't parodied in either Looney tunes or Samurai Jack, it does not exist.

Red (00:49:02):
Um, all right, let's see. We need a, we need a MacGuffin we're after, and we need a monster. Uh, the problem is if I say Atlantis, that movie already exists and it fucking slaps.

Blue (00:49:12):
We can do something with Delfi and the monster is a giant snake.

Red (00:49:16):
Oh, that's so manageable. Uh, all right. Okay. Yeah. Delfi.

Blue (00:49:21):
Yeah. Big snake. Manageable. Of course the word I would choose for that noun adjective pairing,

Indigo (00:49:28):
They just play a, play a funky pipe tune and it goes to sleep. That's how that works right?

Red (00:49:32):
I believe you have to murder it actually, but okay. So ruins under Delfi. Uh, we need some kind of oraclular spirit. Uh, actually, you know what? I think it would be cooler if we're dealing with both the Oracle as some kind of creepy mummy type thing, or like a ghost and the giant snake. Uh, so we have, uh, we have a, we have a base boss fight and then we have a real boss fight, but yeah,

Indigo (00:49:50):
The problem we have to solve is the Oracle, but sh they, they create the snake to, to dissuade us or eat us, I don't know how that works.

Red (00:49:57):
I think if you want to delve into the lore, what you can do is the technically the snake was kind of there first. Uh, so the snake was there and the Oracle was also there, but like was a servant of Python. And then Apollo showed up and killed Python and was punished, but it ended up working out and then the Oracle became, Apollo's Oracle, so that, oh, we have our Ardeth Bay, the current Oracle, but it's like the ghost of the first Oracle or something like that. All right. Yeah. I think we can make this work.

Indigo (00:50:24):
And this was, this is all coming together. Okay. Well, blue watch the Mummy. I'm making both of you making both of you a checklist. This is getting ridiculous between the Godfather slander in the first half of the podcast and lack of mummy knowledge.

Red (00:50:43):
At least I watched that movie, or like 95% of it.

Indigo (00:50:47):
as a self proclaimed cinemaphile this ends here. Uh, uh, but okay. Let's move on to some other questions before we get trapped in cinema slander for the rest of the podcast. This next question comes from MischiefOfPikachus. Since it was mentioned on the last podcast, the now obligatory question is obvious, to all, what is your preferred fall soup?

Blue (00:51:11):
Oh fuck. We had to come back with a leaf report and a soup recipe.

Indigo (00:51:17):
Do you have any leaves or soups. Uh, did you do the homework?

Blue (00:51:22):
Um, leaves haven't been falling much yet. Um, Cyan and my basil plant, uh, in our window is starting to dry up a little bit. Some of those leaves have been falling down, but those aren't, those aren't walking on leaves. Those are in the plant pot leaves as far as soup goes. Um, I've got fully nothing.

Red (00:51:43):
I've got one, avgolemono soup. It's the best.

Blue (00:51:47):
Oh yeah. It's not necessarily a fall soup, but it's a,

Indigo (00:51:49):
All soups are fall soups.

Blue (00:51:49):
it's a Greek classic. Yeah, no, avgolemono slaps.

Red (00:51:54):
For me I have a very fond memories of, uh, having it in a winters in large family dinners. Uh, and it it's just it's it's man, it's just so good because it's, it's, it's the only thing I can think of that makes hot lemon work because lemon is like, like citrus mostly works best when it's cold, but like avgolemono soup fucking slaps man.

Blue (00:52:16):
No it's great, yeah, It's delicious.

Indigo (00:52:18):
Yeah. Uh, I usually default to my, my family's. I don't know what it's called. We just call it cauliflower soup. Cause it's a soup that my dad and my Papi have always made, but, uh, I think I've given the recipe on the podcast before. It's just layers of cauliflower, bread crumbs, parsley, and tomato, and you just layer it all up with some like onions and garlic sauteed at the bottom and then fill the pot with water and just boil for however long you feel feels right. Uh,

Red (00:52:39):
incredible.

Indigo (00:52:40):
season with salt and pepper. Very, very easy. That's my go-to soup all year round, but it's particularly good in the fall when it's chilly. Dip a little crunchy bread in there. Ooh, Ooh, Delicious.

Red (00:52:49):
Crunchy bread is what really brings the soup together.

Indigo (00:52:51):
Oh yeah. If you're not eating your soup with, with a crunchy loaf of delightful bread, then what are you doing?

Blue (00:52:57):
Yeah, the way the, the, the way that I, Red, I don't know about you, but the way that I most enjoy a nice bowl of avgolemono soup is you just take up, take like a piece of bread, just rip it into shreds, just toss it in there. And then just, just a have at. It's also great. When you get the soup served, then it's like way too hot. You need to kind of bring it down a little bit

Indigo (00:53:17):
Dip bread in till it's cool enough

Blue (00:53:17):
just rip it up, drop some bread in there and then let it work.

Red (00:53:21):
Yeah. Greek cuisine really has lemons down to a science. I mean, putting a lemon juice on flaming cheese, who the fuck thinks of that, but also hell yes.

Blue (00:53:30):
Historically that was a Americans in Greek town in Chicago, but you know, I'm not one to be like, oh, it's not authentic. It's like yeah sure it's not authentic, but it's still like in the umbrella of Greek food. Still works.

Indigo (00:53:45):
It's authentic to a different subset of the Greek community.

Blue (00:53:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Indigo (00:53:48):
Yeah. It's the same thing with a lot of like Italian American food where it's like, cause it's all the Southern Italians moved over here. This is my family is from Southern Italy, not Sicily, but a related region. And they move over here and it's like, oh, now we have access to all these ingredients that the Northern Italians always seemed to have, and we're going to just ball out on them, which is why a lot of like Italian American food is like super heavy, like cheesy and rich and it's delicious.

Red (00:54:11):
So good.

Indigo (00:54:12):
For that very reason, but it's not necessarily quote unquote authentic to the region that people are coming from originally.

Red (00:54:17):
If that's what authenticity means, then I don't want to be real

Indigo (00:54:23):
Awesome. Great soup recs, eat soup all season long people. That's.

Red (00:54:27):
Yes, consume the soup.

Blue (00:54:29):
Yeah. Red I'm sorry for um actually-ing you. And then explaining why it's really pretentious to um actually people on that. That was, not on my A game today.

Red (00:54:39):
No, it's fine

Indigo (00:54:40):
It's good. Um, this next question comes from ddkeac kak? Whatever. Uh, I don't usually like to read questions that are addressed just to me because it feels weird to ask myself a question on the podcast. But I took a screenshot of this earlier in the week and sent it to the OSP group chat and Red was like, you got to do this one on the podcast. So here we are.

Red (00:54:57):
Yeah yeah yeah, gotta.

Indigo (00:54:58):
To indigo, which version of Nightcrawler is the best. And why is it the one from X-Men Evolution? Well, first of all, you're right. It is the one from X-Men Evolution. And it's because not only is he a delightful little goofball, but he says the single greatest line in all of animation, um, in the episode where they have a weird time travel thing going on. And like, I think it's Forge is, hanging with them. And he's supposed to, if the show was in like the early two thousands, uh, and so it's like late eighties, early nineties, lingo that Forge using and Kurt Wagner.

Red (00:55:27):
seventies lingo, seventies man

Indigo (00:55:28):
seventies, oh man, they're going back even farther. So Kurt is like, man, that homie's lingo is wack dude. And that line has lived rent free in my brain since I was 10.

Red (00:55:39):
Uh, I need to contextualize this for the anime watchers in the audience that Kurt Wagner is voiced by light Yagami in this show and his mother Mystique is voiced by the female Shinigami whose name escapes me. But you know who I'm talking about. You know, the one. Watching death note after X-Men Evolution was a fucking trip. I'll tell you that.

Indigo (00:55:57):
Yeah, not only is X-Men Evolution just a delightful show in general, that has aged in a way that is only funny, as opposed to aging poorly. The dialogue is hilarious and the fashion is even better.

Red (00:56:10):
The fashion gets worse with every passing year. Not a single woman has her midriff covered, um,

Indigo (00:56:14):
All crop tops as many shoulder pads as possible Avalanche has a salad bowl on his head and they make fun of him for it in the show. It's great

Red (00:56:23):
Shoulder pads or off the shoulder tops. No, in-betweens. Rogue, a character whose power involves skin contact wears like a sheer see, see-through shirt to get the corresponding like stomach exposure mandate.

Indigo (00:56:39):
Yeah, it's a great show. But Nightcrawler in general is just an excellent character. Um, he's always the best member of any team he's on.

Red (00:56:46):
Yes, no matter what version of him

Indigo (00:56:47):
He's my, probably my favorite Marvel character, uh,

Red (00:56:50):
He's hard to fuck up, the up the movies still managed to.

Indigo (00:56:53):
Yeah, he's just like, he's a swashbuckling fun, loving little funky blue dude who, who teleports around, which is one of my favorites super powers. So I'm a big ride or die, but the X-Men Evolution, Nightcrawler does have a special place in my heart

Red (00:57:04):
For X-Men evolution. They, they, uh, they reformatted him from twunk to twink and made him a pretty boy, which I have no complaints about. Cause like in the comics, he was kind of, they kind of based him on like Errol Flynn, right? Like, like them classic Swashbucklers. So like he's blue and kind of looks like a demon, but in like a really handsome way,

Indigo (00:57:21):
He does a lot of like sword fighting on pirate ships and stuff. Anythime they're like we need a solo adventure quick, put him on a pirate ship for some reason to have him hold a saber.

Red (00:57:30):
Yeah. Give him three swords so we can hold one with his tail and we can put it on the cover, which is just fun. But then in the show, you know, everyone's kind of aged down cause they were like it's X-Men but in high school, so Kurt ends up is kind of like this like sweet little bishie. Who's a little more insecure than he gets later. Uh, like, which is, you know, fun. Uh, but yeah, it's a good show. It's so stupid.

Indigo (00:57:50):
It's so fun. Highly, highly recomend.

Red (00:57:52):
It's also, It's also weird for other anime watchers because the entire cast of Inuyasha is in there, and they're in major roles.

Indigo (00:57:59):
Yes. Uh,

Red (00:58:00):
It's so weird.

Indigo (00:58:01):
It's it's delightful. And I would love to talk about Kurt Wagner and X-Men Evolution indefinitely, but we're sort of coming up on time, which brings me to our final question from Louinator to Red, since we're coming up on time, we have to wrap it up. Can you take us on out?

Red (00:58:15):
Godammit! Oh, you got me. You got me. Well, I hope you're happy. I'm going to have to improvise this one. There's no possible way I can reach my phone in time.

Indigo (00:58:23):
Oh boy.

Red (00:58:24):
Yeah. Thank you all so much for listening to this episode of the Overly Sarcastic Podcast. As always, there will be another episode in two weeks because this is a bi-weekly podcast, not the other biweekly, this bi-weekly, you know, the one, you know, the one, um, we have other episodes that you can listen to. If you miss us. We also have a YouTube channel that we have new videos every Friday and occasionally Tuesdays, but mostly Fridays, especially right now. Uh, let's see. Oh yeah. If you have a question for us, uh, we have the ask-ospod channel on our discord. You can also go there to hang out with people and yell about stuff. It's pretty fun. Uh, let's see, what am I missing? There's gotta be other stuff. You know, we got like a merch shop and stuff like a Redbubble that people should probably check out we're coming up on the holiday season.

Indigo (00:59:07):
Yeah you've successfully adding more things to the outro then are normally in there.

Red (00:59:11):
I'm trying to be thorough. All right. If you want the job done right. Maybe you should do it

Indigo (00:59:15):
I do! After you. Every episode.

Red (00:59:17):
Oh, okay. It's just redundancy. I see how it is. Wow. Um, all right. Okay. I see how it is. Uh, all right. I guess, uh, that's most of my bases covered, you know, I feel like we could probably go over a little bit more, you know, just mentioned, you know, the, the, the, your standard players in this show. It's, uh, it's me, it's Blue. It's Indigo every once in a while we have other people on. It's pretty fun. It's a cool, good time. Uh, you can also follow us on Twitter for stuff. I don't know. That could be fun, but until next time I've been Red,

New Speaker (00:59:48):
I've been Blue,

New Speaker (00:59:49):
and this has been an overly sarcastic podcast.

Indigo (00:59:55):
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