Blue:
There's a lot of like qualifications that a Virgil character would need to fulfill in this. If we're, we're trying to replicate the same experience of Dante, we're just talking about like, who do you want to take you on a tour through hell then? I guess it opens it up a little bit wider. But if you want to, if you want to capture the Virgil effect, you really gotta, gotta do some digging.

Red:
It's gotta be like, who would you write self insert shipping fanfiction with from history?

Indigo:
I think there's one correct answer, but I'm interested to see what you guys think first.

Red:
Ooh. That's added stakes. Um, hmm

Blue:
Nicholas cage? Who's your correct answer Indigo?

Red:
No no no no no.

Indigo:
You'll have to wait, give your answers first and we'll save mine for the, ponder it a bit

Blue:
Hello everybody. And welcome to another episode of the Overly Sarcastic Podcast. Uh, I, uh, not as always, I was out I'm back. I returned am Blue, uh, and I'm joined by Red. Say hello?

Red:
Hello I am always here. Except for those two weeks consecutive episodes where I was not.

Blue:
Yeah, we're here except for when we're not, uh, an Indigo who will maybe say hi.

Indigo:
Yeah. I'll grace you with my presence.

Blue:
Yeah? Nope okay.

Indigo:
Wha! She spoke!

Indigo:
Oh nope? Okay, okay I see how it is. I let you rejoin the podcast and this is how you thank me.

Blue:
Yeah, one and a half second window to say hello. Exactly.

Red:
Better watch out or you're going straight back in the closet, Mr.

Blue:
Hey, the Amontillado was worth it. It was a delectable vintage. That's a, that's a deep cut for all you all you folks who've seen the Edgar Allen Poe Halloween Special.

Red:
I was going to say, I don't think referencing the Cask of Amontillado was considered a deep cut these days, but it was a full-blown meme on the internet last year.

Blue:
Well, I mean, but like specifically, like it's an established gag that you have canonically killed me once with the Amontillado.

Red:
Hey hey, Just bricked you into a basement. All right. The rest of that wasn't on me.

Blue:
Death is implied. It happened off screen. Anyway, uh, I am back, uh, we're we're having fun. I had a blast listening to the episode with, with Tim last week. That was a, that was a wonderful time, but now, uh, you're all stuck with me again. Um, Red, have you been the past week?

Red:
Not too bad. I've been sleeping, you know, at a, at a slightly more human time than was typical of me before. Uh, it's still, you know, 4:00 AM, but it's better for me than the stuff I've been doing with my bedtime before, uh, which is cool. And, uh, I've been working on stuff and I've been watching a lot of werewolf media for no reason, uh, which has been a questionable experience at best. I've got some thoughts on like early two thousands werewolf transformation effects, uh, that probably we don't have time to get into here.

Blue:
Thumbs up, thumbs down on watching all werewolf media. Is that a yes from you?

Red:
That's generally a no, I mean, a lot of the time already watched it, I watched the Van Helsing movie. I watched Underworld a while back, you know, all that stuff. I just I've been trying to avoid rewatching them just because I think rewatching them to take notes on the werewolf lore would probably be an even less fun experience than just watching them flat. Cause it's like, ah, they appear to have a silver vulnerability, but are vulnerable to other forms of temperature a lot. No, it's not fun. It's not interesting.

Blue:
Well, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Check back several podcasts from now and we'll have more to say on that, but uh, most recently, uh, you had a Trope Talk on, uh, a kind of, kind of dodgy trope there. The, the all a dream, which, uh, is, is one of the tropes we've been getting into some, some spicy tropes this year between like time skips. And uh, let's see, let me scroll back here. Uh, and fates worse than death, some, some, some, some, some spicy boys this year. Uh, how was, uh, how was all a dream? That's a, that's a tough one.

Red:
It is a tough one. It was interesting. Um, a lot of times when I start writing up one of these scripts, I know going into it, you know, my opinion of the trope, that, that part's not hard. I know that I do not like the all a dream twist very much. The question of course is why I don't like it and why people in general might have trouble with it. Uh, and usually in the process of looking through the examples and unpacking the structure of the trope, it helps me pin down what exactly doesn't work. Um, and I think with the all dream trope, I think I hit on my, my central thesis pretty early in the process, but the more I wrote about it, the more I realized, like the problem really isn't, isn't something within the trope. It's, it's in the framing of the trope like that.

Red:
There's nothing inherently wrong with showing the audience something and then being like, oh, actually this was like, this was a dream. Um, that's not inherently a problem. Exactly. But undercutting the audience's ability to trust what the story is telling them. That is a very serious problem. That's a problem, like bigger than any actual trope problem. That's a problem between the audience and the story they're trying to engage with. Um, I was trying to figure out like, is there anything on par with that? And I think, you know, it's, it's in the same space as the unreliable narrator where it makes you just mistrust the story on principle. And I think once you do that, it's like, you really got to make sure that you're at least keeping the audience's trust a little bit. Otherwise they're not going to know how to engage with the story you're telling them.

Red:
And once I realized, oh, you know, it's a good example of this, that weird stuff about Sherlock season four. I had an example. I can build it well, but that's the thing, you know, I was like, why did that happen? You know, I've watched a lot of shows that ended poorly and a lot of like movies and movie series that kind of, you know, drop the ball after a while. But I haven't really seen many where the fandoms conspiracy theory was. Don't worry, guys, the authors actually really know what they're doing. We're going to get a secret, good ending. Um, like most people don't, you know, when game of Thrones crashed and most people weren't holding their breath, waiting for the secret good ending where it was revealed that that was all like a hallucination and everything else was actually secretly. Okay. You know, we didn't get that conspiracy theory and it certainly didn't hang on for months, but there was something about the way Sherlock ended or something about the way Sherlock had carried itself until it ended that made the audience believe that this was a thing that could actually happen, or at least not trust the show enough to believe that what had been shown on screen was what the show wanted them to see, which is, you know, obviously an extreme example, but I think it kind of illustrates the fundamental danger of the all a dream trope, which is not that the, all the dream reveal is inherently bad, but that if you play with the audience's ability to trust your story enough, it's, they're going to stop trusting your story.

Red:
And then you will not be able to get the impact you want when, you know, cause a lot of storytelling is about getting your audience to feel a certain way. You know, you can't really control it, but you can nudge it. You know, you show them a sad scene. You are going to expect your audience to on average, feel sad about it. You know, stuff like that. If you break their trust too much, they kind of, you, you lose that ability because if you show them something that they dislike enough, they might be like, you're probably just messing with me again. This is probably just another dream. You know, it's like the authorial boy who cried wolf problem. You know, you, you cried plot twist too many times and now when you show them something sincerely, they don't believe you.

Blue:
Yeah. It's very much a case of, of, of making the audience aware of the hand of the author. And I think the discussion, especially in the very opening section of the, of this trope talk, when you're talking about the relationship between author and audience and the conceit of, you know, suspending disbelief for the sake of engaging in a story, all the other tropes that we talk about for the most part deal with, you know, you are expected to be buying into the story and now let's talk about how you structure a plot or how you build a character or whatever. But this is like, it gets to the real fundamental stuff of what storytelling is, which is creating something very separate and different than the audience is supposed to come into and feel comfortable in and begin to trust and treat as not necessarily a real thing, but as a cohesive thing. And when you start throwing in this, this, you know, wrench in the gears, this, this rhetorical like logical, you know, oopsies of ha ha all a dream, sorry, nothing matters. You, you completely destroy that relationship. And just like the whole thing crumbles essentially. So it's cool that this was an episode that, that let you get into a lot of those more structural, like fundamental nature of storytelling kind of things, because it's not often that we, that we're able to get to those bigger picture things.

Red:
Yeah. I mean, you know what, a lot of times when I talk about why, why is this trope maybe not working so well, the answer is usually because it makes the audience aware of the fact that they are engaging with a story and that an author is writing it and trying to make them feel certain ways, you know, like a lot of tropes that go poorly disengage the audience like that because you, when you're, when you're immersed in the story and then suddenly the writing gets bad. You're like, oh right. This is being written by somebody who's maybe not very good at their job. Uh, some

Blue:
Daernerys just kind of forgot about the fleet.

Red:
Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, I talk a lot of shit about that show for somebody who's never watched any of it, but, um, it's just so easy. But anyway, um, the thing with this trope is, you know, there are ways that it's done well. I mean, Over the Garden Wall is one of my favorite mini series probably ever. I have consistently rewatched it every year since it came out and I just keep liking it more. And that whole thing is technically all a dream. Uh, initially I, I considered doing a detailed diatribe just about how good over the garden walls, all the dream reveal was, but I was like, wait, I can loop this into a trope talk much more efficiently. That's what I did.

Blue:
That's, that's fair. You mentioned in Alice in Wonderland that it's, it's one of the examples that work so well because it, it like overtly follows dream logic Over the Garden Wall is, uh, another example of that is so weird at every turn. It's not quite dream logic because there is like a semblance of continuity, but the situations the characters find themselves in are so completely, absolutely out there that, you know, the, the dream-like nature of it is, is it very much makes sense on a second viewing. In the context of, of what's actually happening in, in, in poor old Wirt's mind, um, that's another good example, less overt than, than, uh, what's her name, Alice in Wonderland where like, that's the whole point is that it's nonsense, but Over the Garden Wall does a much more, a more subtle version, uh, of that, that same effect

Red:
Over the Garden Wall feels a little more like it's following fairytale logic, you know, um, traveling through the spooky woods. You know, it's not that anything can happen, but like you're going to run into some strange characters at odd settings and weird little anachronisms. And, uh, I mean, I remember when Over the Garden Wall first came out, there was like, there was a little bit of like, wait, I thought these guys were like Pilgrim children. Why is he talking about trying to find a phone? It's like one of the, one of the first clues that something's weird is that, you know, these kids are like just regular kids from the modern day, so why are they here? And what's happening. Um, and that's really solid. Uh, and Alice in Wonderland works because it's totally nonsensical. So you're, you know, when it's like, this is all a dream, you're like, ah, I, yeah, that makes sense. It makes less sense that it's not a dream. Um, and then you get things like Peter Pan and Wizard of Oz where they're like, oh, you, you liked that book. You liked it's whimsy and wonder, well, just kidding. It was fake in universe, no adventures for you. And it's like, oh great. That's what a kid really, really needs to hear. Anyway

Blue:
Then you get, it's like, ah, how silly of you to think that we could be having fun?

Red:
Yeah, woah sorry. I had faith in the author for having faith in their work that, you know, a few comments pointed this out, that it really does kind of make it seem like the author is insecure about their work. Like they don't want to, they don't want the audience to be like, gosh, do you really think this fantasy thing is like, cool. The author has to be like, no, of course not. I, I only put my characters in grimly, realistic situations, all the whimsy and fun must be a hallucination it's, you know, it's just like, come on, man, have some self-respect you gotta, you gotta commit to the bit. And, uh, doing the all a dream twist is frequently showing that they are not committing to the bit, the Cardinal sin of art. Anyway, that was a, that was the main gist of the all dream video, uh, which was actually like trending this morning. Um, I don't know, YouTube stopped letting me know when that was happening. So, uh, yeah, but it was pretty low on the list. So I think it had probably been trending earlier and it slid down anyway. That was me done. Yeah. Yeah.

Blue:
Well, on the subject of, uh, committing to the bit, uh, Aristophanes absolute supreme commitment to every single bit, all the time. I, uh, I had fun with that. I was thinking that I would get to it earlier in the year, but many things came up. Um, uh, but I, I had a lot of fun with, uh, with the Aristophanes video. I was actually a little bit worried about it at first, because jumping way back. Uh, the, the Machiavelli, uh, History Makers episode, I did, I ended up being very disappointed in how it turned out, because everything that I felt like I was doing was just kind of slightly off like the script. Wasn't really where I wanted it to be. Uh, my recording. Wasn't like super great. The maps were a little bit janky and I ended up like completely gutting them and replacing them for future videos that did Italy.

Blue:
And just like every little aspect of that was like not super thrilled. Aristophanes kind of felt like it was going in that same direction. And when I, when I sent over the script to you, I was like, right here you go read it's. I mean, it's, I think it's fine. It's a topic I really like, but I only, you know, think I did an okay job with it. And you're like, oh, this is great. And then I ended up sending the, the, the rough cut to, to Indigo for, for notes on things to, to add and, and Indigo you're like, this is possibly one of your funniest videos. And I'm like, wait, what? I thought this one was only fine. Where did this come from? So people liked it, uh, w which is great, but I was, I was very much taken by surprise, uh, by the, the, the idea that people were enjoying themselves with this video. So that was kind of a fun, a fun twist.

Red:
Well, as I recall, you know, when, when you sent me over the script, I was like, okay, what do I know about Aristophanes because a lot of the time, you know, I, I'm not super knowledgeable in history. So when you send me over a script frequently, this is like the most I've heard about whatever subject we're doing. And Aristophanes obviously I knew his name, but I haven't really dealt with comedic plays very much. And I think the most that happened is I read if Iphigenia, uh, wait, no, that's not a funny one. What am I thinking of

Blue:
When that old card Agamemnon sacrifices, his daughter, what a jokester. What a prank!

Red:
You can see my problem here. I mostly read the tragedies

Blue:
Agamemnon's like the cameras over there, bro. It's a prank.

Red:
Uh, you know, the one, the one, it's the one where they stopped the Peloponnesian war by withholding sex. Um,

Blue:
Lysistrata.

Red:
Lysistrata, that's the one. Um, and like, I'd read that. And that was really it, but I didn't really have the context of Aristophanes when you were, you know, talking about that. It's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Well, and like, I didn't know the thing about, um, the, the name of the play being, what the chorus was dressed as. Like, in tragedies, the chorus is just creepy hooded people wearing masks. And then the, the comedies, it's like, I'm a bumblebee. You want to hear the hot gossip I just heard, which is just top quality. And I just didn't know any of that. So I was, you know, I was getting all this new information. I was like, whoa, this is great. This is really presented in a fun and engaging way to, you know, how it is. Um,

Blue:
Yeah, well, no, I mean, I'm glad you liked it. It was fun because it's a, it's an interesting, um, piece of the Greek literary puzzle. And I spent like, you know, usually it takes a little bit of time to, to write the intro and then that kind of helps guide the rest of the video. I took about two days writing what must have been six different versions of that introduction before I found one that that ended up being the one that I liked enough to, to keep in the video, um, trying to figure out like, okay, how do I frame like the Peloponnesian war and, and where like Greek theater comes into this and what Athens has to do. And like all these different pieces I was trying to balance, but then eventually getting to the point of like, comedy was kind of like this misunderstood younger sibling to tragedy for like 50 years after it was, was theoretically first introduced.

Blue:
And then, you know, the only guy we have is Aristophanes, but that's okay because he is the best and the funniest guy, and it's all we need. But what I really liked about it, uh, beyond the plays themselves was talking about the idea of how Aristophanes work could really only have been a product of the democratic culture of Athens. And that, that self-criticism, that, that you get a little bit of it in tragedy, you get a decent amount of it in the history, you get a decent amount of it in philosophy, but it really is the comedy where you get the most like thoroughly introspective and, and like society-wide self critical, uh, piece of, of, of literary culture in, in all of Greece. And, and, and certainly, uh, uh, I think he's got the Romans beat as well. So I there's that whole thing, uh, contrasting his disdain for democratic politics, but the, the, the deep connection he has to the investigative discussing qualities of democratic culture I thought was, was really cool.

Blue:
And that was the, the, the kind of twist at the end that made me feel like I was able to actually make the script work and, and make the video have a point beyond Aristophanes was the father of comedy. Cause he wrote, plays with dick jokes and them, which is, um, you know, uh, it's like, yeah, it's true, but it doesn't really get to the heart of it. You know? So, uh, I feel like I got to really tie it into the, uh, the history making premise of the show. So I ended up being satisfied despite, uh, how much of the process was like, oh, actually this doesn't seem like it's going very well.

Red:
I mean, there is a whole through line, uh, in history that you could probably make a whole video about itself, just of comedy and satire and politics because man, that, that connection is like all the way back, uh, court jesters and satires and, and people making fun of whatever the ruling classes and pointing out, you know, observational comedy requires you to be actually like observant and capable of understanding the situation you're in concisely, explaining it to an audience in an engaging and funny way. And then just pointing out, what's stupid about it. And it's like, you know, there's just so much in that space. There there's so much depth there. It's almost dizzying to think about, uh, how far back satirical comedy goes and Aristophanes was all over that. And, you know, Athens is, you know, it's one of those, uh, exemplary civilizations in the sense that it gets used as an example a lot.

Red:
Um, and it did, you know, it did originate a lot of stuff. It was one of the first places that did a lot of those things at the same time. And having somebody like Aristophanes to kind of be like, Hey fellows, you know, this war business has been going on. You think maybe this is dumb. What if we could fix it with no sex that it's just like, you know, th obviously the premise yeah,

Blue:
No bone for you.

Red:
No bone for you. Uh, the, the premise of, um, uh, Lysistrata, I got it this time is, you know, inherently ridiculous. But so it was the war. It's like, why are we fighting? Why are we fighting at this point? We could probably fix this through a zany scheme or two, you know, that, I don't know there there's, there's a whole. The problem is when you start dissecting comedy, it stops being funny. Um, so I try to avoid doing it, but, uh, there there's something there about how comedians and, and set, satirists and all that, which is, you know, satire based on satyr, like satyr play like Satyra con.

Blue:
I don't actually know. I would have to get back to you on that. I'm, I'm sure there is, uh, some, some Latin connection in there, but I would venture off the top of my head that the Seder connection was too far in the past for it to be the reason that it's called that I might be wrong, but I would imagine Seder plays were not popular enough to be the reason it was called that instead of comedy, which is much more in line with what we would call satire.

Red:
I'm heading to Wiktionary don't fear.

Blue:
Okay. Well, well, while you're doing that, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll mention that, uh, on the subject thread of what you're.

Red:
It is based on Satyr, it is.

Blue:
Oh it is! Everyone point and laugh at the idiot man Blue who didn't know his etymologies.

Red:
It's not quite from it, but it was affected by, uh, Satyrose or satyr. Uh, but it, it came from a Latin, uh, thing, meaning.

Blue:
Okay so it is Roman.

Red:
Yeah. Uh, hold on. Uh, thank you. Wiktionary. That's not helpful. Um, okay. It's like, it was based on the idea of something being like, well fed or saturated, but also it was affected by the influx of Greece, which I remember that happened too when I was looking into the etymology of Typhon. Um, so it seems like you had like a whole Latin base for a language and then Greek also was there and it affected it by adding implications to words that weren't there before, which is really neat honestly, but anyway, yeah. Uh, comedy good stuff. Um,

Blue:
Yeah, what I was going to say, um, uh, about, about Athens to your point of like Athens is this very exemplary civilization, uh, that it seems like a lot of things come back to Athens. Uh, and certainly there are a lot of different cultural movements in other parts of Greece that may well have been just as intricate, as interesting as what we have in Athens, but we just don't have any of it because either it wasn't copied well enough or Athens stomped on it and put their stuff in place instead. Um, but Athens kind of being this, this big thing and what I, what I say in my, my city minutes, video a byword for Greece, um, it is funny because in the, the video that, that I was not here to discuss last week, um, I got an equal amount of comments saying, wow, blue is such a, a fan boy for Athens and is treating it.

Blue:
So unproblematically and an equal amount of comments saying, wow, blue is absolutely savaging the Athenians in this video, which I guess means I did my job, but it's, it's clearly, you know, it's, it's all wrapped up in that first line is they're almost as great as they're constantly insisting. They are, they're not, but they did accomplish a lot that is worth discussing and their successes are just as important as their failures because we arguably have a lot more to learn from their failures, all conveyed through Aristophanes, um, uh, about how their civilization worked. Um, and that's part of what makes it so interesting because you have some civilizations in history that, that come to us, you know, unblemished clean, perfect, fantastic. Or at least that's what they tell you they are, but you get people like Aristophanes where its like, no, no, no, no, no, this place sucks, but it's okay because it's funny. And it's like, yes, that is what I want. It's good.

Red:
The very basis of observational comedy is looking at your surroundings being like, man, this place blows and then saying that in a funny enough way that other people are made happy by how much it sucks rather than sad.

Blue:
I ended up being very, very happy with the way that video turned out. Uh, even though I was not expecting to be so a lot of, a lot of grease lately, uh, I've had to throw myself a few, a few easy pitches, uh, cause this year has been kind of kinda tough between moving house and planning for a wedding. I've had a lot going on. Uh, the house is done, the wedding is still a little bit out. Um, so I, I appreciate you all bearing with me as I, as I, uh, trudge through some, some familiar territory. Uh, but hopefully I'm, I'm presenting information in, uh, in such a manner that is, uh, is interesting, uh, enough. And also I'm glad that a lot of people liked the, the, the new version of, uh, of the city minutes, the first one, um, uh, had many problems, uh, but the core idea was worth it.

Blue:
Uh, so having re uh, reinvented it, uh, I think, uh, it is a really good formula going forward for, for other, uh, other types of, um, uh, civilizations and other, other periods in places in history. So I'm looking forward to, to going back through those, although I will also say, uh, it is very funny that, uh, when I first published these, someone said, this is just an excuse for you to talk about Venice in another series. Isn't it? The answer is yes, but I'm not going to go there quite so fast. We'll take a little bit of time first,

Red:
You gottta save up for that one.

Blue:
Yeah, exactly. You got it. You got to collect your tickets and then cash in, but anyway, that's, uh, that's that fun videos. Um, couple quick announcements before we transition into the Q and A portion of the podcast, um, we, uh, we, we did a stream, uh, the other day played Geoguesser, which was very fun.

Blue:
Um, but, uh, starting next week, um, on, uh, July the 25th, 28th and 31st, Sunday, Wednesday and Saturday, uh, we are doing a slate of charity, live streams for a handful of different causes. Uh, we're going to be doing some breath of the wild again, bringing back the dragon rush crew. So, uh, that should be a fun time. Stay tuned for that. We'll, we'll tweet community tab, all that stuff when it goes up. Um, also, uh, our next episode of the podcast, we will be joined by, uh, our buddy Max Miller of Tasting History. This will be very exciting. Uh, he is fantastic. And if you're not subscribed to his channel, you absolutely should be. Cause he's great. Um, sunshine, personified, uh, and then finally, um, on, uh, on Monday this past Monday, by the time this episode goes up, um, you'll be able to listen to the newest episode of Indigo's podcast Moviestruck on which I am a guest, and we will be talking about Gladiator. Uh, we had so much fun and I'm so excited for you all to hear it.

Red:
I'm really excited to listen through that honestly. I like, I I've mentioned this before, but real talk Moviestruck is like the perfect podcast for me to listen to while I'm doing stuff, I will just like put it on and then just like pace around. It's honestly just so fun.

Indigo:
Aw you guys are making me blush.

Red:
I love nothing more than people talking over movies. It's great.

Blue:
Indigo, did you have fun with that episode or was it just you suffering through me explaining various aspects of Roman history to you?

Indigo:
No, it was a delightful episode up and until I had to download the audio tracks from our recording software Blue had named himself, Blue, What did you name yourself when you entered the recording studio?

Blue:
I set, I set my screen name for, for Riverside, our recording software as my name is Maximus Decimus Meridius commander of the armies of the north husband to a murdered wife, a father to a murdered son, and I'll have my vengeance in this life or the next, which apparently doesn't play nice with the file downloading software.

Indigo:
It makes it a little bit tricky. It's kind of just like permanently stuck in cloud storage. So the episode is, um, a little rough, more roughly edited than usual, but it's still very, very fun. And, uh, it was a delight to have you on. So I'm excited to, uh, I'm excited for that to go live. I guess it's already gone live if you're listening to this.

Blue:
It's already gone live.

Red:
We in the past are excited for it to go up.

Blue:
Will throw a link in the show notes

Red:
I'm just happy. You're getting to see some movies you actually like, you know. Someday, I'll atone for making you watch Jupiter Ascending and talk about it for two and a half hours.

Blue:
But, uh, with that, I think we can, uh, hop over to the Q and A section of the podcast.

Red:
Let's do it.

Indigo:
Hello and welcome to the Q and A portion of the Overly Sarcastic Podcast, where we answer your questions from ask OSPpod on discord. This first question comes from one of our lovely, lovely patrons. If you want to support the channel, support the podcast, continue to pay my salary and buy Cleo cat food, consider becoming a patron and have an opportunity for your question to be read first on the podcast, this question comes from Queek the Charlatan. Okay. So you two have to fight Achilles. You have three days to rig up some home alone esque series of traps and japes to help you defeat him. What do you set up?

Blue:
Well, I set up a single picture of Patroclus in the main room, and then as he's crying. I stabbed that bitch in the ankle.

Red:
I was going to say, is Patroclus still alive at this point? Because if so, I want to get him on the horn and see if he'll help us out. That seems like, I mean, they say Achilles his only weakness is his heel, but I believe that his real weakness is his heart.

Indigo:
See, I would go for the heel and just set up like an insane amount of trip wires, just trip wires all over the floor.

Red:
That would be the simple solution, but it wouldn't hurt him as much, you know,

Indigo:
I mean he'd be dead.

Blue:
Just like set up a bunch of, of razor scooters, which would basically like chop his feet off

Red:
Alright yeah, the Razor scooter option is good. The tripwire option is also good. Um, uh, do you think the heel thing is just like the Achilles tendon or like, is it actually like the part that plants on the floor? Because if so legos everywhere we do that.

Indigo:
Yeah. It seems like in terms of traps, it's a lot of things happening at floor level, which makes me think maybe we're going to be too exposed up top. What sort of distracting traps we can put in his line of fire so that he gets taken out.

Blue:
Throw some ball bearings at him.

Red:
Ball-bearings are solid. You can also do, uh, you can do cling wrap at face level in doorways. So they walk through it wraps around the face and then the door shuts. It works better with sliding doors, but I think we can make an exception for normal swinging doors too.

Indigo:
Of course, of course.

Blue:
God, that's good.

Red:
All right. Um, but really, I think we're, we've hit

Blue:
For any doors that do swing open, we can do the bucket trick, uh, and then, and then get the bucket to fall on his head.

Red:
And then while he's blinded by said bucket. We strike. Uh, but I also think our, our real plan A is getting Patroclus on our side. So he can just be very disappointed at Achilles for trying to fight us for whatever reason.

Indigo:
Yeah. It's just like one of those Simpsons, like do it for her posters, but it's do it for him. And it's just pictures of Patroclus and that's enough to distract him.

Red:
Exactly, exactly

Indigo:
Beautiful. All right. Yeah. Sounds like a pretty solid strategy. Um, this

Blue:
He's surprisingly easy to kill with prep time.

Red:
Yeah I think the trick is if you, if you know his weakness, it's not that complicated.

Blue:
You think the Trojans like knew that he had a weakness, but didn't know where it was. So they kept like a chart of all their various attacks. It's like, okay. Underneath the left arm. Definitely not it we're going to, we're going to try for, um, for right calf next and see if we can get any purchase on that.

Indigo:
They've got a little like, graphic.

Red:
It's like a diagram of like planes and like where the most common bullet holes, uh, are found. And then like, they, they were reinforcing those areas, but it wasn't helping because the trick is bullet holes through other areas of the plane would just bring the plane down. So it's only, only the people who survived to bring back the feedback are like, yeah, I hit him in the left shin and, uh, he, he didn't seem to like that very much.

Indigo:
Amazing. All right. This next question comes from the Phoenix force to Red. Who's your favorite character you've created in your comic Aurora? Do you have a favorite character you've created, and why?

Red:
Ooh. Oh, no guys that's. This is mean to everyone else on this podcast.

Red:
Um, Oh God. Uh, I mean, I do, I like a lot of the characters for different reasons, uh, in terms of main characters. Fuck, I also like all of them. Um, I think the one, I, I, the one I answer with first, you know, I do like all of them for different reasons. I think the one I like for the most different reasons is probably False. He's just interesting for me to write. Um, he's, uh, he's also easier for me to write in some ways, because, uh, you know, sometimes I played to tropes and, uh, there's no simpler trope to work from than a tragic backstory. So that's just, that's just a, that's just a spa day for me, honestly, writing stuff for him. It's easy. It's not easy for him, but I'm having a good time.

Red:
I Like the characters, but I'm the writer. I take pleasure in different things than the character's do frequently opposite things. Um,

Blue:
It's an inversely proportional relationship.

Red:
It is, I mean, I've mentioned in a previous podcast when someone was like, which of these guys would you be friends with? And I was like, False would kill me. And I deserve it. It's like that. That's still true. That's not going to get less true as the story goes on,

Indigo:
Ominous. We'll avoid all spoilers and swerve into another question. This comes from Aberdorf to blue. What is your favorite history joke?

Red:
Oh, c'mon. Way to put him on the spot.

Blue:
Um, okay. Uh, so, so Jesus is talking to his disciples and he's like, Hey guys, guess what? I'm the son of God. And they're like, no way. And he's like Yahweh, that's it. That's the joke. Next question.

Red:
Top quality.

Indigo:
Excellent. This one comes from S Dog reads to all, what is someplace or something that you were surprised to discover was real. For me, it was Timbuktu for the longest time. I just thought that it was a made up word or place that people made up to emphasize that it was a long way, away. I didn't think I fully realized it was a real place until high school, maybe college. So is there somewhere that you didn't think was real until faced with just a sudden realization of, oh, people have not just been making jokes this whole time?

Red:
Huh? Is it okay? Uh, my apologies to Tim, I mean, I got to say New Zealand a little bit. I've never been actually surprised about it, but there are parts of New Zealand where I was like, wait, they still have Hobbiton. Are you serious?

Blue:
That's pretty funny. Um, I, this is, this is weird, but it's like it's it's kid logic. Um, so when I was very young, uh, sometimes, uh, as a joke, whenever I was was was, you know, someone was doing something and I said, wait, my dad would say, are you going to tell the Russians to wait? My dad who grew up during like, through the whole cold war, excuse me. He was born when the verimact was still winning. Um, like this guy like is been through the whole thing. So whenever I was like, wait, wait, wait. He was like, you're going to tell the Russians to wait, but I didn't know what Russia was. And certainly didn't have the context of like the cold war to understand it. Like, you know, being born like in the late nineties, like we only just beat them, like still a recent thing. So me, like not knowing what the hell Russians were like, the only thing that my mind could associate was radishes. So I'm like, what are the, what are these radishes want with me? So I was very confused for a very long time and only actually appreciated like the full value of that joke. Like about like 15 years after the fact,

Red:
I, I mean, I was kinda surprised to learn that there was a real actual Mount Olympus, uh, and it's an extremely climbable hill even, but, uh, I gotta say there are, there are some places in the real world that I feel like they shouldn't be real because they are named like things you'd put on a fantasy map in the back of a book, Like the black sea, The Netherlands death valley, you know, shit like that. I'm like, what? But it's real, but it's not as cool as the name implies. And that makes me upset.

Indigo:
Yeah. Sort of in the complete opposite direction. I didn't think that Yonkers New York was a real place for a long time, well into high school because I, I did a lot of tech theater and we worked on a play that the character started out in Yonkers and then they went to a city and I just thought I was like, Yonkers. That must be a fictional place that they made up for these characters to start in, like, surely this is just a miscellaneous small town. And then while going to college, I took a train that went right past a sign that said Yonkers New York and had a sudden realization all at once that I had been the fool all along and it was not, in fact Yonkers that was playing me.

Red:
I have a completely different initial association with Yonkers because the first time I was exposed to it was in world war Z, where there was a climactic battle There. So, um, That's where my brain goes. Initially, not the whimsical musical theater. There's a world outside of Yonkers direction.

Indigo:
I mean, I, that's probably a better direction to be going in if we're being completely honest. Uh,

Blue:
I want to see the world war Z musical about someone who grows up with the great zombie battle of Yonkers happening, uh, in their backyard and dreams of going to the big city instead to get away from the zombie battle.

Red:
I give it a few years at most.

Indigo:
Yeah. You could have stopped at world war Z musical. You would have had a really tight pitch right there already

Blue:
Well I needed to connect it to Yonkers. I needed to, to really find the glue that binds this story together.

Red:
There are musicals of a lot of weird things. I'm kind of surprised there isn't one for world war Z yet.

Indigo:
Honestly, the zombie musical is not a thing that really like exists. And then that seems like a missed opportunity.

Red:
Come on. Zombie makeup is like,

Indigo:
I'm sure there is a musical out there with zombies in it, but I can't off the top of my head. Nothing is immediately coming to mind, that, uh, qualifies. So,

Red:
I mean, zombie makeup is like pretty simple. You can put that shit on someone on stage. No problem. I mean, they've been making musicals of things like frozen that are mostly like really complicated VFX that they have to do some pretty crazy stage magic to to equivalent. And then you can just do, like, we got a guy put some pretty gross stuff on his face and now he's singing baritone. Let's go. It's not that hard technically speaking.

Indigo:
Is this going to be our Tony's bid here. We've already invaded the Oscars with time heist. Now we're going for our Tony with whatever zombie musical, we, we devise.

Red:
But also it would be easy to make zombie versions of other musicals, you know, singing in the brains. Yeah. Okay. I'm just going to stop it there, But I didn't say it was good just that it was easy. Musical parodies are frequently easy and bad.

Blue:
That is fair.

Indigo:
All right. Well, this next question is not related to zombies, as far as I'm aware, uh, from Inez blue to indigo. Oh, what me? Oh, what was it like watching red and blue and Cyan and play geo guesser and completely miss the fact that they were in independence square or wherever is was. It was

Red:
What, how about the part where you called us on the phone within 15 seconds of getting there.

Indigo:
It felt important. It look, it's both,

Blue:
That was pretty funny.

Indigo:
it's a location that is in my, was in my childhood backyard, not my literal backyard, but you know, the general area, uh, and also I just did, uh, a national treasure episode of movie struck. And that is filmed around independence hall. And it just felt like the perfect thing the stream was pandering to indigo and the stream didn't even know it was pandering to indigo yet. So I felt like the need to like jump in and let you know, uh,

Blue:
Geoguesser, is a fun stream because it is arguably even worse on backseat gaming than the stream, like Hades where it's like, I know where this is. I live here and you're messing it up. Or, uh, in the case of where, uh, I was looking, uh, when we were in Legoland and I was looking at one of the signs for different languages and saw a very pixelated and blurry UK flag, a very pixelated and blurry German flag and a very pixelated and blurry Danish flag missing the two giant Danish flags right next to the sign in front of me, the chat is screaming. Their ears off are screaming. They're screaming my ears off, I guess. Uh, yeah. Uh, hammering away their keyboards. And it's just like, it is it's fun because it's, you know, it, on the one hand you can tune a lot of that stuff out. Uh, and on the one other hand, you can, you can use a lot of that information, but it's, it's funny because my, my experience with the Haiti stream was like, oh my God, it's just, it's, it's all backseat gaming. Like, I, I'm clearly not good at this, you know, whatever let's be done with this. And then it's like, geo guesser, everyone's like, no, you're wrong. I live here.

Indigo:
I moderate a lot of the streams. And geo guesser is a tough one to moderate because that chat is flying by. I was like,

Red:
I will say that, like the thing is when, uh, when the chat is watching, you play Hades and they're like, no, equip the hammer fists or whatever. It's not like you can do that. You know, you, you can't actually take their advice, but in geoguesser, if they type it's Denmark, it's Denmark, I live here enough times. You will see it and you will be able to win. So it's, it's maybe less frustrating because the audience participation is like a thing.

Indigo:
Yeah. For more great stream stuff. Check out the next couple of char, couple of charity streams. We got coming up, uh, about a week or so. Um, yeah.

Red:
Have we figured out what breath of the wild challenge runs we're going to be doing. I know dog percent is on the table.

Blue:
We're probably going to be doing dog percent.

Indigo:
Yeah. But like, like, and memory percent. I think that, that means we don't have a third one locked in, but,

Blue:
Uh, no, no, no, no, no. Red dog percent. Will, will probably take us all three streams.

Indigo:
There are a lot of dogs in that game and they are spread out over a very wide amount of the map.

Blue:
There are a lot of dogs in that game and I will maybe be able to consistently Boomi zoomie by the time we have the stream, I will not be able to BTB. Uh, I will not be fast.

Red:
Okay thats fair.

Indigo:
Uh, we all remember how the dragon rush went. Let us not set any expectations of multiple achievements. Being made

Blue:
Oh was it not fun? When we walked back and forth to Kakoriko on foot four times to go talk to Impa.

Red:
Well I had fun, but I think I was just doing the uh, Zelda impression. Like half the time

Indigo:
Yes you were. I edited the Supercuts of those two streams. I remember, but what both of you were doing very clearly,

Blue:
Hey, speaking of Supercuts, uh, there were some, some, some funny moments in that geo guesser, stream with shh chat. No, no advice. Well, let us figure it out on our own. And then immediately getting dropped into Venice

Red:
Plops you in a gondola. In Venice.

Blue:
I just started cackling, laughing. That was funny.

Indigo:
Wonderful. Uh, but we'll move on to some other questions here before we get stuck in reminiscing, fondly over past streams, uh, too much. This question comes from Tim, the dragon rider to both. What is your favorite dinosaur and why?

Red:
Oh, oh, I mean, I got to rep my boy deinonychus that sweet rending claw, you know how it is the, the toe claw dinosaurs are always really cool. And it's like, I believe that the, the popular image of the velociraptor thanks to Jurassic park is closer to what an actual deinonychus would've looked like because velociraptors were about chicken sized and very, very angry. Um, so, so that's my boy. My boy deinonychus.

Blue:
I would, I would probably say, uh, the argentinosaurus, which is a, uh, which is a very, very big dinosaur is one of them big chunky boys. Uh, because I, um, I was, uh, in the audience of, uh, John Green's virtual book tour for, um, for the Anthropocene review where we did an exercise where basically we were making like a little like Anthropocene review type thing for the Argentinosaurus. And I in chat pointed out that its neck is so long, it probably cannot even see its own feet. And John thought that was funny, so he put it in. And I was very satisfied with that. So argentinosaurus is on the list.

Red:
Oh, dang it. There was a, I, there was a very, very tiny dinosaur whose fossil was in the fossil lab. I was in. And I remember I drew an adorable little version of it with like a big googly eye. Uh, and it, it, it was one of them helmet head dinosaurs, uh, with a really thick skull roof, which fossilized really well. But I don't remember what kind it was, unfortunately. Um, and unfortunately looking up tiny dinosaur helmet head did not get me the results I was hoping for.

Indigo:
There's I think few things harder than trying to identify a dinosaur by like descriptive terms in Google. Cause I've had to peel back the curtain on what I spend my free time doing. I've tried to do that a few times being like, I vaguely remember this dinosaur from what I was a dinosaur kid, but like, I don't remember what it's called. Let me try Googling. It's like long neck, two leg man. Like it's just, there's no good keywords. Um, I'd say my, my favorite dinosaur is probably the pterodactyl because that is what, um, Kira the yellow ranger and power Rangers dino thunder's zord was, and I'm, I'm a simple at heart. You know, I like to stick to the classics.

Red:
I must regrettably inform you that as I recall, Pterosaurs are not technically dinosaurs.

Indigo:
Shh it's okay.

Red:
They're a different blend. They should. They're a different branch on the cladogram entirely

Indigo:
Red it's okay. They'll never know if we just say it confidently enough,

Red:
But it's important for them to know that I knew

Blue:
Indigo slips a 20 to whoever's in charge of the, like the Linnaean taxonomy of dinosaurs,

Indigo:
A scientist somewhere. He's just got like a giant chart in the back of this is a giant taxonomy in the background. He just takes like a magnetic pterodactyl and moves it to a different branch on the wall,

Red:
Dude, I mean, well, no, like you joke, but we had to do cladograms in my dinosaur science class and we were rearranging. Cause it's like, you know, the way you mostly do a cladogram is by where traits appear. Because usually when a trait evolves, most of the dinosaurs in that line, then have that trait. But not always because there are some things where it's like, they've got traits that seem to come from two different lines. So how do you arrange them? And the answer is nobody know, nobody knows for sure. Which is why if you get like the same set of about a dozen dinosaurs in the same cladogram to a, to a bunch of people, they will all arrange them differently because it's like, well maybe it evolved this. And then the trait disappeared in subsequent generations. And then reappeared here, you know, even if you Ockham's razor, it, there's a bunch of different ways you can rearrange them. And none of them are necessarily correct. So if there is a big guy with a, with a huge cladogram in the back room, he is constantly rearranging that. And you know,

Blue:
Yeah, cause he's, he's taking so many bribes,

Indigo:
The devil works hard, but the man with a giant cladogram works harder. Uh, this next question comes from a thistle tickler, 89 to everyone. I live in Scotland, a 20 minute walk from caves with pictish carvings east. Ooh, man. East Wemyss Wemyss Fife. Cool. I'm so sorry. Um, East Wemyss Fife, uh, what is your favorite place to visit near you? Fun fact Wemyss oh God, I can't pronounce it. Wemyss means caves. So calling them Wemyss caves is like saying Sahara desert cave, cave, cave, cave. It's the Jake long American dragon, Jake dragon American dragon effect.

Blue:
Well, this is a bit of a dodgy question to ask without like outing our particular city blocks.

Red:
Yeah, Is there a coffee shop near you you frequent?

Indigo:
in your, yeah. In your general region of the U S maybe, like a national park or similar thing nearby. Um,

Red:
It's fully cheating, but I really enjoy going to central park. Um, I, uh, every chance I get,

Indigo:
Hey, that's mine.

Red:
no, it's, it's my it's my go to central park is like, listen, I, I like walking places and Manhattan is small enough that I'm always like, it is not impossible to walk from point A to point B on Manhattan. So I don't need to worry about a car. And then there's central park in the middle deceptive. That's like, yes, come walk in me. It's great. My paths are definitely not winding and frequently poorly lit at night have fun. Um, I remember I had one fun experience where I was, uh, I was in central park. I'd been walking around with a friend and the sun started going down and I realized two things. I realized the path we were on did not have lights. And though I could see buildings in every direction. I was unsure of how to get out of the park. It gave me big, like lost in fairyland vibes. I felt like I was going to get whisked away by Titania any minute

Blue:
A gentleman came up asking you for your name and then you just started running.

Red:
I do and introduced himself as Rob Goodfellow and I booked it.

Indigo:
That's pretty, that's pretty par for course, for what walking around New York is like, I feel like most days anyway, so he might as well. The on sleeping city was a, not a far-fetched development for Brennan Lee Mulligan.

Red:
Dude Brennan Lee Mulligan is new Yorker, born and bred. You can straight up tell.

Indigo:
Oh Yeah. Oh yeah. Um,

Red:
yeah, top quality.

Indigo:
Um, I don't necessarily have a place. Red has, um, claimed my current city of residence, uh, for her bit.

Red:
It's mine baby.

Indigo:
So I will go back to my, my childhood home. I grew up around Philly and if you're in the greater Philadelphia area and you want to go to a cool historical site, but you're thinking to yourself, indigo, I don't know which historical site is the best one to visit. There's so many and they all seem to have so many things to do. Uh, the, the correct answer is that you want to go to the constitution center because while it is not actually a place where history happened, it has all these metal statues inside of the founding fathers that you can take funny pictures with. And it's a lot of fun. Um, it's very, don't, don't go to the mint. The mint is terrible. Go to the Constitution center, hang out. They always have rotating exhibits. It's a lot of fun, lots of neat stuff. That's, that's my, a neat place near me. I don't know if it's a natural formation necessarily, but it's, it's fun. Nonetheless,

Blue:
This isn't the answer to the question, but my piece of fun, Philadelphia trivia is the time that when I was like, like, I must've been like 10, uh, my dad and I went to Philly on a trip, uh, and we did this whole like tour thing where it was like dinner and these like, you know, historical figure impersonators show up for whatever reason, the dinner was delayed by like an hour. But the guy who was playing Jefferson did not quit. This guy was like taking questions, talking about stuff. Eventually I was, you know, 10 year old me is like Mr. Jefferson, do you think that it would be a cool strategy if we went to go invade Britain? He's like, I've never thought of that, but you know what? The wouldn't expect it. This guy was the coolest.

Indigo:
A consummate professional.

Red:
Wow approval from one of The green brothers and Thomas Jefferson.

Indigo:
Yeah, There was actually.

Blue:
Um, let's see, I don't know what my actual answer is

Indigo:
I'll, I'll give you some time to ponder because there was a I'll tell a little tangent about Philly while we're on this. There was a Ben Franklin impersonator, uh, who he did very similar things to what you're describing blue, but he actually got to meet the queen of England because he just sort of like, got he, he just sort of like queued up. He just got in line. Um, while all these dignitaries were getting ready to go meet the queen when she was in Philadelphia and he made it to the front of the line, just as dressed as Ben Franklin, because no thought to question it and you just gave her a little bit like, oh, welcome from the city of Philadelphia. Uh, and she's like, oh great. Who's this man. Thank you, Ben Franklin, Ben Franklin I assume.

Blue:
The queen proceeded to slap him

Red:
The nerve after your little colonial nonsense.

Blue:
Uh, no, I, I do have an answer and it's kind of a basic answer, but, um,

Indigo:
Dude, I said central park come on.

Blue:
The Boston. Common is, is very cool because obviously it's a lot of nature. The cool part of the Boston common is actually not the Boston common. It's the public garden, which is separated by one very small street. It's much prettier. It's got a pond, it's got cool bridges. It's got a lot of fun trees and pathways and statues and stuff. The Boston common itself is actually just kind of empty. So the city is putting actually a lot of money into refurbishing it. Um, but the, the public garden is really cool. And there's this huge just like stretch of, um, of, of green space, the Com Ave mall. That's like, in-between this, this huge roadway on two sides. So from, uh, from the, the public garden down to like, basically like Kenmore square right next to where the red Sox play is just this whole, like, like a mile and a half, like two miles, of just green, like park. It just goes, and it's not very wide. It's like, it's, it's inside two streets, but it just, it goes forever. And it's so nice. Super super nice.

Indigo:
Yeah, It's also very common location for a student films to be shot speaking as someone who shot part of a student film there one time. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's really easy to get there without like totally having all of the permits that you're supposed to have. It's very easy to just run a gun shoot there. Um, but I think we're, we're, we're coming up on time for the podcast. So we've got time for one last question here today. And this was a, this is a juicy one guys. So this comes from the, the first Earl of English to all, if you were Dante Alighieri and you had to choose someone that being a person you don't know. So like a celebrity or similar living or dead to take you on a journey through heaven, hell and all in between. Who would you choose? Who's your guide through the circles and mountain,

Blue:
Oh boy, well, this is a tough question because you want someone who knows their way around, but also has something to teach you and who also, you have like, like way too much professional and probably personal reverence for in the case of Dante to Virgil. So there's a lot of like qualifications that a Virgil character would need to fulfill in this. If we're, we're trying to replicate the same experience of Dante, we're just talking about like, who do you want to take you on a tour through hell, then? I guess it opens it up a little bit wider. But if you want to, if you want to capture the Virgil effect, you really gotta do some digging.

Red:
It's gotta be like, so would you write self insert shipping fanfiction with, from history?

Indigo:
I think there's one correct answer, but I'm interested to see what you guys think first.

Red:
Ooh, that's added stakes. Um,

Blue:
Nicholas cage, who is your correct answer Indigo?

Indigo:
You'll have to wait, you'll have to give your answers first. Ponder it a bit. Cause I read these questions ahead of time. So I have a little bit of an advantage here. I have time to have time to ponder it. I'm interested to see uh.

Blue:
Wait, um, does fiction count, or is it living or dead?

Red:
Oh, God fiction counts. That opens up a whole other thing.

Indigo:
It says living or dead and celebrity. So I think the implication is that it's a real person.

Blue:
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Real person. Okay. Okay.

Red:
Hmm. Oh, I might need to, look up,

Blue:
I've got one. This is kind of a meme answer, but I think it would be hilarious to be taken on a tour through hell by Rick Steves. This is off the beaten path. It's a fun little spot. There's a great cafe caters to the locals. Uh, yeah, no, that's my answer Rick Steves.

Red:
Uh Hmm. I mean, I'm kind of tempted to go for one of those, like bad-ass lady pirates because I mean, listen, let's be real if you're, if you're doing the, if you're doing the Virgil question, the real question is who from history, do you want to bridal carry you? And, um, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm just saying, uh, I guess I didn't really have that strong of an opinion, but maybe Anne Bonnie.

Blue:
Yeah. It's just a rip Anne Bonnie out of Assassin's creed four and off you go.

Red:
Hey, do you want to show me around? Maybe tenderly take care of me when I keep fainting? I don't know. We can play it by ear. It's cool.

Indigo:
Those are both excellent answers. But I regret to inform you that you were both incorrect. There was one correct person throughout all of history to guide you through hell. Now you have to consider here the qualifications required, right? You need someone who has, who's going to clearly explain all that you're seeing and make it accessible to you regardless of your lived experience. You know, you're trying to introduce these various circles to you.

Blue:
Oh, fuck you Indigo. I know exactly where you're going with this.

Indigo:
You also need someone who's going to make the trip a little fun, you know, cause it, it can be a downer to go through hell and you want, so you want someone with charisma, someone who's going to really spice up the experience. And I think, I think finally, if you consider that, if you consider that this is your, your sole travel companion, who's really taking you through the, um, death, despair and depravity of hell, the triple D If you will, the only correct answer, bring you through all of hell is Guy Fieri himself.

Blue:
Goddammit.

Red:
Well, I, for the record, I have also changed my mind. I want Steve Irwin because he's going to be wrestling the fuck out of everything. This right here is a primal archangel.

Indigo:
You know, diners drive-ins and dives of hell must be fascinating.

Blue:
Oh man. That's good.

Red:
That's good. That's pretty good. But I'm just imagining the whole, the Steve Irwin approach, like wrestling somebody down from the circle of envy. To be like this fellow right has got his eyes sown shut makes it a little harder for him to see me coming. It's just like, wow, Steve, I didn't know that about hell, uh,

Indigo:
I like the guy Fieri approach too because he's already dressed appropriately with the flames for hell. He's already matching the aesthetic. And he's got the sunglasses. So he doesn't, you know, it's got eye protection.

Red:
Okay. Oh. I just remembered a joke D and D character. I made ages ago, a drow ranger who comes from the land down under. Steve.

Indigo:
A classic drow background. Well, I Red, I know you've just jogged your memory for that D and D fact, but I do have to ask you to jog your memory once more to take us out here. Um, if you're, if you're prepared for such a challenge,

Red:
You know, I am, um, right. So

Indigo:
Not too confident now.

Red:
Oh, wow. alright, wow.

Blue:
Settle in everybody

Red:
Thank You all so much for listening. If you liked this podcast and there's more podcasts, you can listen to it through your podcast distributor that you presumably listened to this podcast through. You can also listen to Indigo's podcast, probably on the same platform, but not in the same place. You know how this works. Um, we'll be back in two weeks with, uh, our boy Max Miller of Tasting History, which is going to be cool. Um, and of course we'll be streaming next week, which is going to be exciting. Hopefully, uh, hopefully we will actually have the paraglider this time and talk to Impa and other such apparently important prerequisites for unrelated quest lines. Um, and until next time I've been red,

Blue:
I've been blue and this

Red:
And this has been an Overly Sarcastic Podcast. How about that?

Blue:
I Don't think you mentioned that we have a YouTube channel that you can find.

Red:
Oh no! And we also have a YouTube channel that you probably already knew about because come on. Yeah,

Indigo:
Cut the tape, cut the tape.

Indigo:
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